Hey Chris,

I just made a quick (but I think not unreasonable) fix for this Issue and 
opened a PR https://github.com/apache/incubator-plc4x/pull/47.
Could you check over it if this seems suitable for you?

The reason why I use the Java Type there is that all drivers may have different 
(internal) Types (S7 Driver uses for example the TransportSize enum as 
DataType).
Thus the Java Type sounds like the smallest common divisor (can one say that in 
english??) so that clients get information about the result of a Field query.

Julian

Am 07.03.19, 10:01 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" <j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>:

    Hi Chris,
    
    the new Scraper IS currently S7 specific, yes.
    This is why I want such a refactoring to make it unspecific (because I also 
don’t whant it that way).
    The reason for this is the following code.
    
    ```
    this.s7Field = S7Field.of(triggerVariable);
    ```
    
    Together with the more crucial
    
    ```
    switch (this.s7Field.getDataType())
    ```
    
    (both Snippets from TriggerConfiguration.java).
    
    So now you may see why I propose to add some kind of "getDataType()" to the 
PlcField interface, as this would fix everything and keep things generic.
    
    Of course we need to do it with a  bit of a feeling, as all these PLCs may 
have different types or type-systems, but I'm thinking of it : )
    
    Julian
    
    Am 07.03.19, 09:53 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <christofer.d...@c-ware.de>:
    
        Hi Julian,
        
        the new Scraper is S7 specific? Was the old one too? Just asking, cause 
I don't really like the idea of having protocol-specific tools as it's the 
whole point of PLC4X to be unspecific.
        
        Regarding the other topics ... I sort of couldn't immediately wrap my 
head around that ... could you maybe do a branch where you have your proposed 
changes (doesn't have to work) ... so we can see the difference? 
        I guess we can understand much easier what you have in mind that way.
        
        But in general I think it's a good idea to support structures (Are you 
thinking of structures the way they are handled in C ... where there's simply 
an array of bytes and the "struct" lays a pattern/template/stencil on that and 
allows to to access individual fields.
        I think this would be a great feature ... especially as we could use 
this for automatic optimizations of request (automatically generate a struct if 
this is more efficient then loading individual fields on their own).
        
        Chris
        
        
        
        Am 07.03.19, 09:21 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" 
<j.feina...@pragmaticminds.de>:
        
            Hi all,
            
            I think PLC4X is pretty stable and major right now and we currently 
have two main points of improvement. First, is the generative driver topics 
which is “driven” by chris mostly.
            The other direction is to add new drivers.
            
            But there is one thing in the API which I do not like (and which is 
not very good from usability standpoint) and this is the “Fields” API.
            I think we made a big step forward with the last refactoring we did 
(from Java Types to “Custom Types”).
            
            Currently PlcField is a Merker interface which bytes us on some 
cross cutting concerns.
            E.g. Tims implementation of the Triggered Scraper (PLC4X-88) is 
currently S7 specific, because he needs to get some information about the 
(parsed) Field.
            
            Furthermore, when getting a Response, the BaseDefaultFieldItem 
Interface is quite a Killer.
            
            
            
            So I suggest to do a (major) internal refactoring of both these 
(related) sides.
            
            More concrete I propose:
            
            
            
            PlcField:
            
            After parsing, each Driver should report (via PlcField) what he 
knows about the Field, like the Datatype (see comment below about primitive and 
non primitive types).
            
            Perhaps we can evene extend this to StructFields, i.e. a Field 
which is build on a sequence of (aligned) “primitive” Fields (although I’m 
unsure about the latter).
            
            
            
            
            BaseDefaultFieldItem:
            I propose to Model the Array, List or Map behavior differently than 
with all these getters.
            I would propose to have several subclasses with Methods like
            isArray()
            isList()
            isMap()
            and suitable getters (untyped)
            get()
            get(int)
            getMap(key)
            and typed
            getBoolean()
            …
            
            This could be done very similar then the RelDataType in Calcite 
[1](except that we would add getters).
            
            Perhaps, in the same refactoring we could even introduce a 
“PreparedField” or something, which would mean that there was already a round 
trip to the PLC and the field is “valid”, i.e. will not lead to an exception 
like “unknown address” or something.
            This is something we currently handle pretty bad in the scraper (as 
we do not differentiate between parsing exceptions “wrong format”, temporary 
exceptions “connection lost for one or two scrape cycles” or some addresses 
being “unknown or unreadable”).
            
            What do you others think of that?
            If others see this similar (I know chris told me multiple times to 
keep it simle but often times now this simplicity hurts us in applications) I 
would start to perapre a design doc in confluence.
            
            Best
            Julian
            
            [1] 
https://github.com/apache/calcite/blob/9721283bd0ce46a337f51a3691585cca8003e399/core/src/main/java/org/apache/calcite/rel/type/RelDataType.java
            
        
        
    
    

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