Hi Alex,

Thanks for your input!

1. I'll keep my changes on the PR that add the default
quarkus.datasource.jdbc.additional-jdbc-properties.currentSc
hema=POLARIS_SCHEMA
2. I'll brainstorm further and see if I can find some way!
3. Thanks for the great suggestion. I totally agree and will reflect this
in the PR.

With regards,

Eundo

2026년 7월 21일 (화) 오전 5:23, Alexandre Dutra <[email protected]>님이 작성:

> Hi Eundo,
>
> Thanks for the thorough analysis! I'm glad to see that we're
> converging to a really nice solution.
>
> To your points:
>
> > I'd therefore propose shipping a default in runtime/defaults:
> quarkus.datasource.jdbc.additional-jdbc-properties.currentSchema=POLARIS_SCHEMA
>
> +1 on this idea, I think it makes migration a lot easier.
>
> > I think the two-step procedure is the right call for production [...]
> but it does add a manual step to every quickstart, docker-compose, and Helm
> example
>
> Indeed. I'm personally OK with that and am sure we can find a smart
> way to update the quickstart examples holistically.
>
> > the Helm chart's persistence.relationalJdbc.schemaName value could stay
>
> I would rather suggest a new field:
> persistence.relationalJdbc.additionalProperties, with default value: {
> currentSchema: POLARIS_SCHEMA }. This way we also leave the door open
> for users that want to customize other JDBC properties.
>
> Thank you for working on this!
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2026 at 1:24 PM Eundo Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > Thanks for taking this further — I agree with the direction. Driver-level
> > schema selection is the logical endpoint of the review so far
> > (statement-level -> connection-level -> driver-level), and it removes the
> > hardest parts of the PR from Polaris's responsibility entirely: quoting,
> > identifier case folding, validation, and the per-database SET statements
> > all become the driver's documented behavior. It also helps with MySQL
> > support later (#3960), and — procedurally nice — it eliminates the
> > RelationalJdbcConfiguration change altogether, so the PR no longer
> touches
> > an extension point at all. Most of the already-reviewed work (unqualified
> > generated SQL, schema-agnostic scripts for the current schema version)
> > carries over unchanged.
> >
> > Two points I'd like to settle before reworking the PR in this direction:
> >
> > 1. Upgrade compatibility. Today every relational-jdbc deployment has its
> >    tables in POLARIS_SCHEMA because the code and scripts force it. If the
> >    persistence layer becomes fully schema-agnostic, an existing
> deployment
> >    that upgrades without adding currentSchema to its JDBC configuration
> >    would resolve unqualified names against the default search path —
> >    "public" on PostgreSQL — and break (or quietly bootstrap a second set
> >    of tables in public, which is what #1116 set out to avoid). I'd
> >    therefore propose shipping a default in runtime/defaults:
> >
> >
> >
> quarkus.datasource.jdbc.additional-jdbc-properties.currentSchema=POLARIS_SCHEMA
> >
> >    This covers PostgreSQL and CockroachDB (the shipped drivers; H2 is
> >    test-only), keeps upgrades and the out-of-the-box experience
> unchanged,
> >    and is trivially overridable: pgjdbc documents that when a property is
> >    specified both in the URL and in the Properties object, the Properties
> >    value is ignored [1] — and additional-jdbc-properties reaches the
> driver
> >    through the Properties channel. I verified this empirically with
> pgjdbc
> >    42.7.13 against both PostgreSQL 17 and CockroachDB: a currentSchema
> URL
> >    parameter overrides the connection property in both, the property
> alone
> >    selects the schema correctly in both, and with neither set the session
> >    lands in "public" — which is exactly the silent failure mode the
> shipped
> >    default would prevent. (The currentSchema value is also case-folded
> like
> >    any unquoted identifier on both databases, consistent with the casing
> >    behavior we already agreed on.)
> >
> >    [1] https://jdbc.postgresql.org/documentation/use/
> >
> > 2. Bootstrap friction for fresh deployments. With no CREATE SCHEMA issued
> >    by Polaris, even a default fresh installation needs a DBA (or init
> >    script) to run CREATE SCHEMA polaris_schema before the admin tool can
> >    bootstrap. I think the two-step procedure is the right call for
> >    production — schema creation is privileged DBA work — but it does add
> a
> >    manual step to every quickstart, docker-compose, and Helm example, so
> >    I'd like the community to explicitly bless that trade-off. The
> >    getting-started materials would gain an init step as part of the PR.
> >
> > One suggestion to keep the operator UX: the Helm chart's
> > persistence.relationalJdbc.schemaName value could stay, but instead of
> > mapping to a Polaris property it would simply render the
> > additional-jdbc-properties.currentSchema datasource property. Operators
> > keep one discoverable knob; the persistence code stays 100%
> > schema-agnostic.
> >
> > On tests: agreed this is solvable — H2 supports running initialization
> SQL
> > via the INIT= URL parameter (e.g. CREATE SCHEMA IF NOT EXISTS ... \;
> > SET SCHEMA ...), which covers schema creation and selection for the
> > H2-based tests cleanly.
> >
> > I'll rework the PR accordingly — it's mostly deletions at this point, but
> > we can
> > make additional changes if any disagreements arise.
> >
> > Also, as Yufei mentioned in the PR comment [2], I believe the community
> has
> > reached a level of consensus high enough for this PR to be moved out of
> > draft
> > state. Moving to your new direction would actually eliminate the new
> > extension point (polaris.persistence.relational.jdbc.schema-name) as
> well.
> >
> > [2] https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/4945#discussion_r3583285567
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eundo
> >
> > 2026년 7월 16일 (목) 오전 1:47, Alexandre Dutra <[email protected]>님이 작성:
> >
> > > Hi Eundo,
> > >
> > > I did another review and I think things are shaping up nicely.
> > >
> > > I think though that we need to go one step further and make the whole
> > > JDBC persistence layer completely agnostic of the schema name. The
> > > schema name can be provided through configuration, using standard
> > > Quarkus configuration properties; the Agroal datasource would then
> > > take care of setting the schema on each connection. There is nothing
> > > to do code-wise.
> > >
> > > This imho eliminates all the issues stemming from quoting / casing the
> > > schema names, and makes the code a lot more portable.
> > >
> > > This approach, of course, makes it impossible for Polaris to issue a
> > > CREATE SCHEMA statement on the user's behalf. I understand that this
> > > is a breaking change.
> > > But I also think it is a good thing to stop creating schemas on the
> > > fly: such a statement should be executed by DB admins, as they require
> > > elevated privileges.
> > >
> > > If we agree with this direction, then the bootstrap story becomes a
> > > two-step procedure: a DB admin first creates the schema, then a
> > > Polaris admin invokes the admin tool to bootstrap the realm, and
> > > passes the schema to use via Quarkus config.
> > >
> > > I'm aware that this may require some changes to tests using H2, but
> > > I'm fairly confident there is a way to initialize the schema in these
> > > cases.
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2026 at 4:24 AM Eundo Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Yufei,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the quick action. I've updated the PR to leave historical
> > > > DDL scripts unchanged.
> > > >
> > > > With regards,
> > > >
> > > > Eundo
> > > >
> > > > 2026년 7월 14일 (화) 오전 1:45, Yufei Gu <[email protected]>님이 작성:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Eundo,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Just a small update, the
> --schema-version
> > > > > option has already been removed from the bootstrap command(
> > > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5044), so I don't think we
> > > need to
> > > > > update the historical DDL scripts anymore.
> > > > >
> > > > > With that out of the way, I think this PR can focus on making the
> > > current
> > > > > schema configurable and updating the current bootstrap path
> > > accordingly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again for working on this!
> > > > >
> > > > > Yufei
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2026 at 2:01 AM Eundo Lee <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Yufei,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was not aware of the discussion regarding keeping the latest
> schema
> > > > > > version only.
> > > > > > Thanks for the heads up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems that you've opened a separate discussion thread on the
> > > removal
> > > > > of
> > > > > > --schema-version
> > > > > > option from the bootstrap command. So I'm guessing that the
> removal
> > > > > should
> > > > > > be out of scope
> > > > > > from this PR.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In that case, in order for the polaris deployment to work as-is
> with
> > > a
> > > > > > configurable schema,
> > > > > > I think we should keep the changes to the historical DDL
> scripts, and
> > > > > > remove the scripts once
> > > > > > the --schema-version option is removed from the bootstrap
> command.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eundo
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2026년 7월 11일 (토) 오전 9:00, Yufei Gu <[email protected]>님이 작성:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Eundo,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for working on this. Making the schema name
> configurable is
> > > a
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > idea. I also agree with Alex that we should avoid setting the
> > > schema
> > > > > > every
> > > > > > > time we obtain a connection from the pool.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do have one minor concern. I don't think we need to touch the
> > > > > > historical
> > > > > > > JDBC schemas. We've previously discussed on the dev mailing
> list
> > > that
> > > > > > each
> > > > > > > Polaris release should only keep the latest schema version. One
> > > small
> > > > > > > behavior change would naturally follow from this. We could
> remove
> > > the
> > > > > > > --schema-version option from the bootstrap command[1]. That
> option
> > > > > allows
> > > > > > > users to bootstrap a realm with a historical schema version.
> While
> > > it
> > > > > may
> > > > > > > be useful in some rare cases, I don't think it provides enough
> > > value to
> > > > > > > justify the added complexity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://polaris.apache.org/releases/1.6.0/admin-tool/#bootstrapping-realms-and-principal-credentials
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yufei
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2026 at 2:08 AM Eundo Lee <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you for taking your time to review.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've applied your suggestion on using an explicit default
> value
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > helm chart.
> > > > > > > > For other points I agree very much with your direction.
> > > > > > > > However, I just wanted to confirm with you the design /
> > > > > implementation
> > > > > > > > details
> > > > > > > > before diving in to create more commits.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would greatly appreciate additional inputs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Eundo Lee
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2026년 7월 1일 (수) 오후 11:57, Alexandre Dutra <[email protected]
> >님이
> > > 작성:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Eundo,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thank you for raising this topic and providing an initial
> draft
> > > > > PR! I
> > > > > > > > > left a few comments.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I generally agree with the idea of making the schema name
> > > > > > > > > configurable. But I'm not sure I agree with some design
> choices
> > > > > made
> > > > > > > > > in the PR: for example, I think it would be easier to let
> the
> > > > > Agroal
> > > > > > > > > pool set the schema on each JDBC connection, rather than
> > > having it
> > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > on each SQL statement generated by the QueryGenerator.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let's keep discussing implementation details in the PR
> though.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2026 at 11:30 AM 이은도 <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'd like to get feedback on a small enhancement to the
> > > Relational
> > > > > > > JDBC
> > > > > > > > > > persistence backend before moving the PR out of draft.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Problem
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The backend currently hard-codes its database schema as
> > > > > > > POLARIS_SCHEMA
> > > > > > > > > > -- both in QueryGenerator (there's an existing "// TODO:
> make
> > > > > > schema
> > > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > > > configurable.") and in the bootstrap SQL scripts. This
> makes
> > > it
> > > > > > > > > impossible
> > > > > > > > > > to comply with a schema-naming policy that organizations
> > > might
> > > > > > have.
> > > > > > > > > > It came up while looking at issue #1116 (the older
> > > EclipseLink
> > > > > > "avoid
> > > > > > > > > > public schema"
> > > > > > > > > > request); the JDBC backend fixed the "not public" part by
> > > > > > > hard-coding a
> > > > > > > > > > name,
> > > > > > > > > > but the value still isn't configurable.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Issue: https://github.com/apache/polaris/issues/4944
> > > > > > > > > > Draft PR: https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/4945
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Proposed change
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Add polaris.persistence.relational.jdbc.schema-name,
> > > defaulting
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > POLARIS_SCHEMA so existing deployments are unaffected.
> The
> > > value
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > validated as a plain SQL identifier (it's interpolated
> into
> > > SQL,
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > bound). Bootstrap scripts use a ${schema} placeholder
> > > substituted
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > script-execution time so the configured schema is
> created and
> > > > > used
> > > > > > > > > > consistently.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Points I'd like input on
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1. This adds a method to RelationalJdbcConfiguration,
> which
> > > is an
> > > > > > > > > >    extension point -- hence this discussion per
> > > CONTRIBUTING.md.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2. To wire the schema through, I converted QueryGenerator
> > > from a
> > > > > > > static
> > > > > > > > > >    utility to an instance bound to the schema. That's the
> > > bulk of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > diff
> > > > > > > > > >    (mechanical call-site updates). An alternative is
> > > threading
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > schema
> > > > > > > > > >    through method parameters; the instance approach
> seemed
> > > > > cleaner,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > >    happy to change direction.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 3. For the admin tool, I exposed the schema as the same
> > > config
> > > > > > > property
> > > > > > > > > >    rather than a separate CLI flag, so the admin tool and
> > > server
> > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > > >    bootstrap into different schemas. Let me know if a CLI
> > > flag is
> > > > > > > > > preferred
> > > > > > > > > >    despite that drift risk.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Feedback welcome -- I'll hold the PR in draft until
> there's
> > > > > > > consensus.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > Eundo Lee
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>

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