Here are the related PRs:

* https://github.com/apache/pulsar/pull/19100
* https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/pull/348

Best,
tison.


tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2022年12月26日周一 21:45写道:

> FYI tracking issue has been created:
> https://github.com/apache/pulsar/issues/19064
>
> I plan to finish it by the end of next month.
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
>
> tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2022年12月21日周三 11:33写道:
>
>> Thanks for your feedback!
>>
>> @Yu
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the previous thread. I looped in @michaeljmarshall
>> here.
>>
>> @Jun
>>
>> It's possible but causes a new shortcoming: Now you should tell the
>> contributor that the versioned docs are different from the NEXT version
>> docs, lol.
>>
>> If our developers don't complain about these separated sources. Like @Asaf
>> comment:
>>
>> > We can take, let's say, five features and see if they were actually
>> done in
>> > the same PR or separate PR. I guess that most documentation is actually
>> > updated separately. Thus, from that perspective, maybe it’s not a con.
>>
>> Then we can do this refactor thoroughgoing.
>>
>> Also, if we keep, somehow several sources in the main repo. We still have
>> shortcomings:
>>
>> 1. Duplicated CI workflows.
>> 2. Cumbersome preview scaffolding in the main repo.
>>
>> ... which is the original purpose I'd like to overcome.
>>
>> Best,
>> tison.
>>
>>
>> Jun Ma <momoma...@hotmail.com> 于2022年12月21日周三 11:19写道:
>>
>>> Is it possible to come up with a compromised solution that has the pros
>>> of both sides but minimizes the side effect? I'm thinking maybe it's not
>>> necessary to sacrifice the current contribution process, as long as it can
>>> greatly reduce the load of back-end actions and source size. For example,
>>> if we only move out the versioned docs to the site repo but keep the source
>>> of the NEXT docs in the pulsar repo, does this help to win a large
>>> proportion of those pros when people can still contribute as usual?
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jiaqi Shen <gleiphir2...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2022 17:15
>>> To: dev@pulsar.apache.org <dev@pulsar.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Website precommit and move the source of docs to
>>> the site repo
>>>
>>> +1, it makes sense to me.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jiaqi Shen
>>>
>>>
>>> Yu <li...@apache.org> 于2022年12月19日周一 20:57写道:
>>>
>>> > Hi tison,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for raising this up!
>>> >
>>> > Our community had a similar discussion previously and chose to "keep"
>>> the
>>> > doc repo stay in the Pulsar main repo at that time.
>>> >
>>> > [1] lists the pros and cons of "keep" and "not keep" solutions.
>>> >
>>> > I'm +0 on this proposal because I think the total scores of these two
>>> > solutions are almost equal after weighing the pros and cons.
>>> >
>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> >
>>> > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/mf2xwntfgn84dq78ksqv22jk3drq6xb3
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 5:40 PM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Thanks for your feedback!
>>> > >
>>> > > @Asaf
>>> > >
>>> > > > pre-commit
>>> > >
>>> > > I mean CI checks before merging a patch. Currently, we don't run
>>> checks
>>> > for
>>> > > the content before merging them. This causes a series of syntax
>>> errors
>>> > and
>>> > > broken links issues. If we hold docs under site2 folder in the main
>>> repo
>>> > > and then copied to the site repo, we have two places to build such CI
>>> > > checks. What's worse, the checks for the main repo will be quite
>>> > > cumbersome (that you do some if-else logic in the whole Pulsar CI
>>> > > workflows, and do the sync sequentially in that workflow).
>>> > >
>>> > > If we hold the source of docs only in the site repo, we can extend
>>> the
>>> > > "precommit" workflow[1] I added recently to check for syntax errors
>>> and
>>> > > broken links also.
>>> > >
>>> > > > What does the apache/pulsar-site repo contain today?
>>> > >
>>> > > It should be covered by the documentation guide page[2]. It holds the
>>> > > source of the official website and the user docs are synced from the
>>> main
>>> > > repo.
>>> > >
>>> > > > What content do we have today in the pulsar repo related to the
>>> site?
>>> > >
>>> > > After issue-18014[3] is done, we host only user docs and some JSON
>>> > metadata
>>> > > in the main repo, which is synced by site_syncer.py[4].
>>> > >
>>> > > > Can you explain that better? Are you saying pulsar source JARs
>>> contain
>>> > > the documentation?
>>> > >
>>> > > No. Source JARs contain only the Java files and necessary copyrights
>>> > info.
>>> > > The source release is, for example,
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> https://archive.apache.org/dist/pulsar/pulsar-2.10.2/apache-pulsar-2.10.2-src.tar.gz
>>> > > ,
>>> > > which is extracted to 173M where 129M is occupied by the site2
>>> folder.
>>> > >
>>> > > This also affects when developers do git clone to clone the repo.
>>> > >
>>> > > > I mean, if you wish to document a bug fix in 2.9.x, for example,
>>> would
>>> > > you do it in the 2.9.x branch under site2/docs or
>>> > > site2/website/versioned_docs/2.9.5?
>>> > >
>>> > > This is another question. Ideally, we should have hosted versioned
>>> docs
>>> > > associated with the specific version to that branch, like Apache
>>> Flink
>>> > does
>>> > > as I mentioned[5]. But we do not, and actually the situation is we
>>> update
>>> > > the versioned docs under the master branch and thus, the docs can be
>>> > synced
>>> > > properly.
>>> > >
>>> > > See also the "Alternatives" section in the original email.
>>> > >
>>> > > @All
>>> > >
>>> > > Since we don't have objections to the possible cons listed above or
>>> any
>>> > new
>>> > > ones, I'm going to create a tracking issue later this week and show
>>> what
>>> > > will be changed in PRs for further review.
>>> > >
>>> > > Best,
>>> > > tison.
>>> > >
>>> > > [1]
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/blob/f7abc615d57d9846ed093922d24bff952dc0e838/.github/workflows/ci-precommit.yml
>>> > > [2]
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> https://pulsar.apache.org/contribute/document-contribution/#source-repositories
>>> > > [3] https://github.com/apache/pulsar/issues/18014
>>> > > [4]
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/blob/f7abc615d57d9846ed093922d24bff952dc0e838/tools/pytools/lib/execute/site_syncer.py
>>> > > [5] https://github.com/apache/flink/tree/master/docs
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > PengHui Li <peng...@apache.org> 于2022年12月19日周一 16:26写道:
>>> > >
>>> > > > +1
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I support moving them to the website repo.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thanks,
>>> > > > Penghui
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM Yunze Xu
>>> <y...@streamnative.io.invalid
>>> > >
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > +1. The most significant point to me is that we can preview all
>>> the
>>> > > > > content of the website without synchronizing contents from the
>>> > > > > apache/pulsar repo.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Thanks,
>>> > > > > Yunze
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:53 AM Li Li <urf...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > +1, That’s a good idea.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > On Dec 16, 2022, at 07:07, tison <wander4...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Hi,
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > After several works around the build flow of our official
>>> > > > > website[1][2][3],
>>> > > > > > > the content sync and site build flow is debuggable and
>>> > reproducible
>>> > > > > now.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > However, compared to other Apache projects' websites' project
>>> > > layouts
>>> > > > > and
>>> > > > > > > workflow, we still meet two challenges on the Pulsar site:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > 1. We don't have a pre-commit workflow for any
>>> website-related
>>> > > > changes.
>>> > > > > > > Thus, we don't detect broken links or syntax errors when
>>> > reviewing
>>> > > > new
>>> > > > > > > patches[4][5][6].
>>> > > > > > > 2. The website's content is two-level down in
>>> > `site2/website-next`
>>> > > > for
>>> > > > > > > historical reasons, which is confusing for contributors.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > To overcome these two shortcomings, I propose the following:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > 1. Move the website's content to the root level, then we
>>> have a
>>> > > > > first-class
>>> > > > > > > Docu&yarn-based JS project layout. It's more convenient and
>>> > > familiar
>>> > > > to
>>> > > > > > > related developers.
>>> > > > > > > 2. Host the source of docs in the site repo
>>> (apache/pulsar-site)
>>> > > > > instead of
>>> > > > > > > under `site2` folder in the main repo and do content sync.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Below are the pros and cons:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Pros
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > 1. Obviously, we have the pre-commit workflow now. And since
>>> we
>>> > > host
>>> > > > > the
>>> > > > > > > source of docs in one repo, we don't have to run the
>>> pre-commit
>>> > > > > workflow in
>>> > > > > > > two places, which can be quite cumbersome to implement.
>>> > > > > > > 2. The size of the source release of the main repo can be
>>> > reduced a
>>> > > > > lot.
>>> > > > > > > Currently, 63MB out of 140MB of the sources are taken by the
>>> > site2
>>> > > > > folder,
>>> > > > > > > which we can remove totally. In addition, we carry out
>>> > > full-versioned
>>> > > > > docs
>>> > > > > > > every release.
>>> > > > > > > 3. We can clean up a large portion of "integration" to debug
>>> the
>>> > > site
>>> > > > > > > brittlely on the main repo[7]  (etc.) and redundant
>>> contribution
>>> > > > > guide[8].
>>> > > > > > > This way, when updating docs, we can preview the result in
>>> one
>>> > repo
>>> > > > > instead
>>> > > > > > > of actually doing the sync on the fly. In addition, this
>>> > > integration
>>> > > > > blocks
>>> > > > > > > we move the website content to the top level since it makes
>>> > strong
>>> > > > > > > assumptions about the relative layout.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Cons
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > The most significant con is that we cannot update the code
>>> and
>>> > docs
>>> > > > in
>>> > > > > one
>>> > > > > > > patch against apache/pulsar now. You must open a new pull
>>> request
>>> > > to
>>> > > > > > > apache/pulsar-site, cross-reference each other and manage the
>>> > merge
>>> > > > > order
>>> > > > > > > (synchronization).
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Alternatives:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > To resolve the versioned docs issue, an alternative is to
>>> host
>>> > only
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > > > > user docs along with each version, like Flink does[9]. But it
>>> > both
>>> > > > > detaches
>>> > > > > > > from the Docu framework and requires significant development
>>> > > efforts.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Since it can explicitly change the development flow (that
>>> is, you
>>> > > > > should
>>> > > > > > > now update docs separately), I am starting this discussion
>>> here
>>> > to
>>> > > > > reach
>>> > > > > > > for your feedback.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Welcome to leave your comments!
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Best,
>>> > > > > > > tison.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > [1] https://pulsar.apache.org/
>>> > > > > > > [2] https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site
>>> > > > > > > [3] https://github.com/apache/pulsar/issues/18014
>>> > > > > > > [4] https://github.com/apache/pulsar/issues/17599
>>> > > > > > > [5]
>>> > > > https://github.com/apache/pulsar/pull/17863#discussion_r990174850
>>> > > > > > > [6]
>>> > > > https://github.com/apache/pulsar/pull/17853#discussion_r991803704
>>> > > > > > > [7]
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> https://github.com/apache/pulsar/blob/b1f9e351fa4d5aba197d33cfc0c536516b55b61f/site2/website/start.sh
>>> > > > > > > [8]
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> https://pulsar.apache.org/contribute/document-preview/#preview-documentation-changes
>>> > > > > > > [9] https://github.com/apache/flink/tree/master/docs
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>

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