On 19.05.2011 12:59, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
Not necessarily - anyway, LibreOffice for example is not opposing
apply buttons - http://vmiklos.hu/blog/lo-apply - and response to that
is positive throughout - so OOo probably should reconsider as well.

On 2011/05/19 20:34, Mathias Bauer wrote:
Nice, sure. But as it would only take a few hours of work(*) to convert e.g. the 
"format character" dialog into a modeless one (been there, done it), I wouldn't 
waste my time with intermediate steps.

From my point of view, having an "Apply" button is sort of a wrong direction. Namely 
"waste of time" :-)

 1. Largely increase a font size. (nothing happens)
 2. Click on "Apply." (preview image is updated) Oops, too large.
 3. Slightly decrease a font size. (nothing happens)
 4. Click on "Apply." (preview image is updated) Good.
 5. OK

Each "Control" in a dialog can react when its value is changed. Why is the 
"Apply" button needed?

 1. Largely increase a font size.  (preview image is updated) Oops, too large.
 2. Slightly decrease a font size. (preview image is updated) Good.
 3. OK

When I presented my prototype for a modeless character dialog many, many years ago it was 
not well received. There was fear that people would get irritated as they lose the 
"safety net" of the modal dialog. I never believed that and so I'm pleases to 
read that I was true. :-)

I agree with the idea that most users are get used to "modal" dialog. I prefer "non 
modal" dialog, though.

To consider how to properly and efficiently work with an "Undo" stack, I would say a "modal" dialog 
might be a better choice. Clicking on the "OK" button could be a trigger to push the change onto the 
"Undo" stack.

Regards,
Tora
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