Pushed. Included are the plot/pict and plot/bitmap modules, which export `plot' and `plot3d' work-a-likes. The documentation has the details.

The only thing left now is to break the package up. *rolls up sleeves*

Neil ⊥

On 10/09/2013 12:10 PM, Stephen Chang wrote:
Thanks Neil!

plot/no-gui sounds fine to me. I'll give it a try after you push.

On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Neil Toronto <neil.toro...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm splitting up the "plot" package today.

Stephen: You'll be able to install "plot-lib", then (require plot/pict) to
get a `plot' function work-a-like that outputs picts instead of snips, or
(require plot/bitmap) to get one that outputs bitmaps. You could easily make
a "plot-no-gui-lib" package that contains only a "plot/main.rkt" that wraps
one of those modules, if/when you make a web-only Racket distribution.

Anyone: Is it worth the extra complexity to make a "plot-typed-lib" and a
"plot-typed-gui-lib"? Or should I put the typed interface in "plot-lib" and
"plot-gui-lib"?

Also, what's a good name for the module that exports `plot-file',
`plot-pict', `plot-bitmap', `plot/dc', and the 3d versions of those
functions? Something like plot/no-gui?

Neil ⊥


On 10/08/2013 01:08 PM, Robby Findler wrote:

I think it is worth having a plot/pict or pict/plot library that doesn't
depend on racket/GUI/base (or maybe it would be better to disentangle
snips). In any case, we have many others such libraries that turn on
avoiding racket/gui/base for exactly this reason.

Robby

On Tuesday, October 8, 2013, Neil Toronto wrote:

     On 10/08/2013 11:22 AM, Stephen Chang wrote:

         Short question:
         Is there a way to separate the gui-requiring parts of plot from
the
         non-gui-requiring parts?

         Long question:
         Many people have expressed pleasant surprise with the
         plot-evaluating
         ability of the racket pastebin Sam and I are working on.

         Most of the effort is due to scribble's nice sandbox evaluation
         capabilities but to get it fully working, I had to hack the plot
         library in my racket install.

         The problem is that plot uses racket/gui/base too eagerly but the
         server has no display, resulting in a gtk initialization error. I
         ultimately got around it by just commenting out all the gui parts
of
         plot, knowing that it would never get invoked, but obviously this
is
         an ugly solution.

         I should say that I don't think plot is at fault. The plot library
         does lazy-require racket/gui/base but that's not good enough
because
         the laziness has to propagate to other requires that also require
         racket/gui/base (ie plot/snip) which isnt the case. But this
cannot
         work anyways because lazy-require only works with functions and
some
         of the things imported by plot/snip are classes.

         I spent awhile trying to separate the gui-requiring parts of
         plot but
         was unsuccessful. Maybe the change has to be in racket/gui/base
         itself
         (related to PR 12465) I don't really know. I guess I'm just
looking
         for additional insight. Naively, slideshow/pict and 2htdp/draw
         do not
         have this problem so it seemed like it should be possible.


     Right, racket/gui/base is necessary for snips. In all the
     documentation that uses plots (plot, math, images) I've used the
     following hack when setting up the evaluators:

        (eval '(require (rename-in (except-in plot plot plot3d)
                                   [plot-pict  plot]
                                   [plot3d-pict  plot3d])))

     You could also rename `plot-bitmap' and `plot3d-bitmap'. (The docs
     use picts because they look better rendered in a PDF.) It wouldn't
     be hard to make a module that does that and provides everything.
     (Except possibly `plot-snip', `plot-frame', etc.)

     I'm reluctant to single out one way of rendering when the GUI isn't
     available. Picts look nicer when scaled, but bitmaps look nicer when
     unscaled (plots are subpixel-rendered in this case). Picts take much
     more time to redraw, but for bitmaps it's just a blit.

     Neil ⊥

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