Great work, Josh!

I have to say that the objectProperty output was adding pain to debugging so 
looking forward to that going away.  I'm assuming there will be compiler 
options/directives to control renaming?  I think there are some scenarios where 
it is safe to have public variables renamed.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 2/5/20, 11:44 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev> wrote:

    Thank you for the tips, Alex. Much appreciated. With your help, I've
    determined how to use Closure compiler's Java API to prevent the renaming
    of a specific public variable that has not been @export-ed. Now, I should
    be able to expand this prototype to a full version that prevents the
    renaming of all public variables.
    
    --
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    On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 4:58 PM Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
    
    > In response to your prior post, the reason I am saying it removes control
    > is because I didn't see any option to not have the compiler output
    > goog.reflect.objectProperty and I'm not clear everyone will want/need it.
    >
    > Regarding how to control Closure Compiler's renaming, the details might be
    > changing because I believe I saw that Google refactored the renamer.  At a
    > high-level, you probably know most of this, but for other folks reading,
    > the Closure Compiler is a set of Java Classes that form a series of
    > Compiler Passes.  Each Pass takes information (sometimes source, sometimes
    > the AST, sometimes other information, and modifies the AST.  IIRC, a final
    > pass generates the output.  There might be more than one pass for output.
    >
    > The renaming pass we currently use can output as well as accept a file of
    > rename mappings.  I’m confident we can subclass or modify and replace the
    > renaming pass and feed it a set of mappings.  If you look in the
    > royale-compiler source, we've already done this for some other passes.
    > Look through the Closure compiler source for what happens to the compiler
    > options:
    >
    > --variable_map_input_file
    > --property_map_input_file
    >
    > You can build examples/mxroyale/TourDeFlexModules which outputs these
    > files to see what is in them.
    >
    >
    > We should also see if we can agree on the scenarios and likelihood of
    > property access "by name".  I can quickly think of:
    >
    > A) MXML setting properties by reference (high usage)
    > B) MXML setting properties by value (high usage)
    > C) Serializers/Deserializers (moderate usage)
    > D) [] bracket access by Literal  (occasional usage)
    > E) [] bracket access by String Variable  (occasional usage)
    > F) [] bracket access by Expression (infrequent usage)
    >
    > Exports can solve A.  The compiler can easily detect D & E and prevent
    > renaming.  For C, we "could" autogenerate exports for any classes with
    > [RemoteClass] metadata or autogenerate getter/setters.
    >
    > To me, the only difficult case is F and it will rarely happen.  Maybe we
    > can detect those and warn on that.
    >
    > Of course, I could be wrong...
    > -Alex
    >
    >
    > On 1/17/20, 10:08 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev> wrote:
    >
    >     Comments inline.
    >
    >     On Thursday, January 16, 2020, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
    > wrote:
    >     >  Maybe we should start by agreeing on facts and then goals and then
    >     discuss solutions.
    >
    >     Yes, I think that's a good place to start.
    >
    >     >
    >     > Here are some facts that come to mind, not a complete list.
    >     >
    >     > 1) An export does not prevent renaming.  It builds an alias.  All
    >     references within the set of sources to be minified are renamed.
    >
    >     Agreed.
    >
    >     > 2) Closure's export mechanism only works on non-scalars (Object,
    > Arrays,
    >     Functions) and not Number, String, Boolean because non-scalars are
    >     pass-by-reference instead of pass-by-value
    >
    >     Agreed.
    >
    >     > 3) The Closure Compiler is open source and designed to be extended
    >
    >     Agreed.
    >
    >     > 4) Use of goog.reflect.objectProperty is not necessarily the only
    > way to
    >     control renaming.  It is the way recommended by Google for those who
    > can't
    >     extend the compiler.  We are not constrained to modify our output
    > because
    >     we have control over the compiler.
    >
    >     Could you share some details how we might have more control over
    > Closure
    >     compiler's renaming? It sounds like you know, at least somewhat, how
    > to use
    >     its lower-level Java APIs, but you've never shared the details when
    > you've
    >     mentioned them in this thread or in the past.
    >
    >     I should add that I've personally tried to research this topic myself,
    > but
    >     I had a very hard time finding any information that wasn't just 
someone
    >     explaining to a JS developer that they needed to modify their JS code.
    > I
    >     eventually couldn't justify spending more time to keep looking.
    >
    >     > 5) The compiler knows things about how properties were accessed.
    > That
    >     information is lost in the output in many cases.  Therefore, it should
    > be
    >     better to inform the Google minifier directly from the Royale 
compiler,
    >     instead of leaving hints in the output.
    >
    >     Agreed. I'm personally not fully convinced that the Royale compiler 
has
    >     enough information for dynamic stuff (like for serialization with type
    >     Object), but that may be due to ignorance about Closure compiler's
    >     capabilities. Even without knowing how it works, I can imagine how it
    > might
    >     be relatively easy to prevent renaming of public variables, but the
    > dynamic
    >     stuff is trickier. For the dynamic stuff, maybe it's just a matter of
    >     Closure detecting when a variable is typed as Object, and then it can
    >     switch to ["string"] syntax on its own (instead of us doing it in the
    > debug
    >     build, like with -js-dynamic-access-unknown-members).
    >
    >     > 7) We are pretty close to allowing renaming across modules.  It was
    >     working for a while, but a scenario popped up that isn't currently
    >     handled.  We can pre-load the Closure renamer with a name map.
    >
    >     I haven't looked in detail at the module implementation and don't plan
    > to,
    >     but I understand it well enough at a high level to say "agreed" here
    > too
    >
    >     >
    >     > These are hypotheses, and not proven facts.
    >     > 8) The big gain from not exporting everything is in dead code 
removal
    >     instead of shorter variable names
    >
    >     Agreed, personally. It seems like others have expressed interest in
    > both,
    >     though. I hope that they'll be willing to prioriitze dead code 
removal,
    >     since it will probably have the bigger impact (my own tests removing
    >     @export have been promising in this regard).
    >
    >     > 9) Renaming can complicate and slow serialization/deserialization
    >
    >     Agreed, and this is the harder portion to get working, I think.
    >
    >     However, if release builds didn't rename public variables, and also
    > didn't
    >     rename dynamic accesses, that would remove my biggest frustration with
    > how
    >     ActionScript works in Royale/JS compared to SWF. If both kept their
    >     original names, things that feel broken today would "just work" again.
    >
    >     >
    >     > IMO, we want to be heading in the direction of A) allowing control
    > over
    >     what gets renamed
    >
    >     Agreed, but as I said before, I think that dead code removal will have
    > more
    >     impact than control over renaming, so if it's one or the other, I'm
    > okay
    >     with no control over renaming.
    >
    >     > B) capturing information from the compiler,
    >     > C) controlling the set of renames and exports directly, not through
    > the
    >     output.
    >
    >     Agreed, being able to pass information Closure compiler on the Java
    > side
    >     would be better. than through the JS output
    >
    >
    >     >
    >     > My 2 cents,
    >     > -Alex
    >     >
    >     >
    >     > On 1/16/20, 2:48 PM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev>
    > wrote:
    >     >
    >     >     Some additional context, if anyone is interested.
    >     >
    >     >     At the request of Harbs, I am currently investigating how we
    > might
    >     remove
    >     >     @export from our generated JS code to improve the minimization
    > even
    >     more.
    >     >     When I modified the compiler to skip emitting @export in some
    > places,
    >     a
    >     >     release build of TourDeJewel was initially broken. When I added
    >     >     goog.reflect.objectProperty(), not only did it fix setting 
public
    >     variables
    >     >     in MXML, it also made that release build of TourDeJewel start
    > working
    >     again.
    >     >
    >     >     --
    >     >     Josh Tynjala
    >     >     Bowler Hat LLC <
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    >     >     On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:59 PM Josh Tynjala <
    >     joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev>
    >     >     wrote:
    >     >
    >     >     > Thank you, Harbs! Wrapping the variable name in a
    >     >     > goog.reflect.objectProperty() call works perfectly. This is
    > exactly
    >     why I
    >     >     > started this thread, to see if anyone could suggest possible
    >     alternatives.
    >     >     >
    >     >     > Thankfully, we can keep the same simple data structure as
    > before,
    >     and my
    >     >     > initial proposal with functions can be forgotten. In a release
    >     build, I can
    >     >     > see that goog.reflect.objectProperty() calls are replaced by a
    >     simple
    >     >     > string literal (containing the minified variable name), so we
    > don't
    >     have to
    >     >     > worry about extra performance impact.
    >     >     >
    >     >     > --
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    >     >     >
    >     >     >
    >     >     > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:32 PM Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >     >     >
    >     >     >> Sounds good!
    >     >     >>
    >     >     >>
    >     >     >>
    >
    > 
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    >     >     >>
    >
    > 
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    >     >     >> >
    >     >     >>
    >     >     >> The function seems to be goog.reflect.objectProperty()
    >     >     >>
    >     >     >> I’m not sure exactly how it works though.
    >     >     >>
    >     >     >> > On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:37 AM, Greg Dove <greg.d...@gmail.com
    > >
    >     wrote:
    >     >     >> >
    >     >     >> > actually just as another fyi, Harbs pointed out some
    > intriguing
    >     goog
    >     >     >> > methods recently - I don't have an immediate reference to 
it
    >     sorry. One
    >     >     >> of
    >     >     >> > those seemed to allow for access to renamed names by
    > wrapping the
    >     >     >> original
    >     >     >> > names in a 'magic' method that presumably GCC recognises
    > (but
    >     presumably
    >     >     >> > returns the name unchanged in debug mode)
    >     >     >> >
    >     >     >> >
    >     >     >> > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:33 PM Greg Dove <
    > greg.d...@gmail.com>
    >     wrote:
    >     >     >> >
    >     >     >> >> reflection data has similar stuff to support release mode
    >     get/set for
    >     >     >> >> public vars.
    >     >     >> >>
    >     >     >> >> I did not look at MXML startup assignments like this, but
    > it
    >     sounds
    >     >     >> good
    >     >     >> >> to me. I don't know if it makes sense, but considering
    > this is
    >     just
    >     >     >> startup
    >     >     >> >> assignments, could one function combine all of the startup
    >     assignments
    >     >     >> (in
    >     >     >> >> the same sequence as before)?
    >     >     >> >>
    >     >     >> >>
    >     >     >> >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:23 PM Josh Tynjala <
    >     >     >> joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev>
    >     >     >> >> wrote:
    >     >     >> >>
    >     >     >> >>> According to the commit linked below, the
    > -warn-public-vars
    >     compiler
    >     >     >> >>> option
    >     >     >> >>> was added because setting a public var in MXML does not
    >     currently work
    >     >     >> >>> properly in a release build.
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >>
    >
    > 
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    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> In other words, this MXML code won't work if it's a 
public
    >     variable
    >     >     >> and
    >     >     >> >>> not
    >     >     >> >>> a setter:
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> <Component publicVar="value"/>
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> For reference, the compiler currently writes the name of
    > the
    >     public
    >     >     >> >>> variable as a string to the generated JS, like this:
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> var data = [
    >     >     >> >>> Component,
    >     >     >> >>>    1,
    >     >     >> >>>    'publicVar',
    >     >     >> >>>    true,
    >     >     >> >>>    'value'
    >     >     >> >>> ]
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> At runtime, it interprets this array of properties, and
    >     basically runs
    >     >     >> >>> code
    >     >     >> >>> like this:
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> comp['publicVar'] = 'value';
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> Since Closure compiler rewrites variable names during the
    >     minification
    >     >     >> >>> process, this code keeps using the original name, but
    > other
    >     code in
    >     >     >> the
    >     >     >> >>> app
    >     >     >> >>> might start looking for a shorter variable name like 
"uB".
    >     This is the
    >     >     >> >>> failure that we're warning about.
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> I propose updating the code generated by the compiler to
    >     something
    >     >     >> like
    >     >     >> >>> this instead:
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> var data = [
    >     >     >> >>>    Component,
    >     >     >> >>>    1,
    >     >     >> >>>    function(){ this.publicVar=true }
    >     >     >> >>> ]
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> At runtime, the class that interprets MXML data will
    > detect the
    >     >     >> function
    >     >     >> >>> and call it like this:
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> func.apply(comp);
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> Because this new code will no longer use a string,
    > Closure can
    >     >     >> rewrite the
    >     >     >> >>> property name with its minified version, just like in
    > other
    >     parts of
    >     >     >> the
    >     >     >> >>> app, and we'll no longer need to warn on declarations of
    > public
    >     >     >> variables.
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> I have a working prototype for primitive values, like
    > String,
    >     >     >> Boolean, and
    >     >     >> >>> Number. Objects and Arrays follow a different path in the
    > MXML
    >     data
    >     >     >> >>> interpreter, but I don't see why I wouldn't be able to
    > handle
    >     those
    >     >     >> with a
    >     >     >> >>> similar approach.
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> Thoughts?
    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>> --
    >     >     >> >>> Josh Tynjala
    >     >     >> >>> Bowler Hat LLC <
    >
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    >     >     >> >>>
    >     >     >> >>
    >     >     >>
    >     >     >>
    >     >
    >     >
    >     >
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