In the term of hiding the temp table, I think we can provide a wrapper
class with the database driver. And I'm not sure if we are looking for
something like MVCC ( Multi-Version Concurrency Control ) ?

2018-04-02 22:54 GMT+08:00 Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com>:

> Chris just gave a talk[1] recently about the countermeasure for data
> anomalies.
> It made us to think if we can find a better way to resolve the isolation
> issues.
>
> It looks like the TCC pattern can prevent the uncommitted states to be saw
> by adding the try phases.
> And this is what current saga solution is missed.  With help of temp table
> to store the status of the try operation, we don't need the coordinator
> handle much unnormal situation.   It could be better if we don't let the
> user know about the temp table. But the challenge is how can we hide the
> temp table to the user.
>
> [1]
> http://microservices.io/microservices/general/2018/03/
> 22/microxchg-sagas.html
>
>
>
> Willem Jiang
>
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> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 5:57 PM, Eric Lee <eric.lee....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, all
> >
> > As we have discussed the ACID guarantees Saga provides in the previous
> > thread[1], it turns out Saga does not provide isolation guarantee. To
> > improve user experience, the business logic using Saga may need to
> reorder
> > to make sure the user-sensitive sub-transaction is the last one to be
> > executed. In sceanrios require full ACID support, the implementaion of
> Saga
> > may need to be compatible with the TCC[2] pattern with an extra try
> phase.
> >
> > Take a transfer application as an example, it contains transfer in and
> > transfer out service of two different databases. From the customer's
> view,
> > the transfer in and transfer out operation is an atomic operation which
> > requires both to be executed or nothing executed. However, in the middle
> of
> > the overall transaction, e.g. the sub transaction of transfer out is done
> > and the sub transaction of transfer in is not done yet, if a customer
> > checkouts out his/her balance, it will become weird as the balance is not
> > equal. The isolation is corrupted at this moment in Saga.
> > In TCC,  the isolation could be solved using either the reservation or
> > compensation which depends on your bussiness logic.
> > Reservation: In try phase, use a temporal table to store the credit and
> > transaction context. In commit phase, reduce the balance in the account
> and
> > remove the temporal table. If anything goes wrong, it can execute the
> > cancel method to remove the temporal table. In this way, if the global
> > transaction fails, it will take no effect on the actual table. Besides,
> > when a customer visits his/her balance, we can simply return the value in
> > the actual table which is the original value before this transaction
> > executed.
> > Compensation: In try phase, use a temporal table to record the
> compensated
> > value and reduce the balance in the account. In commit phase, remove the
> > temporal table. If anything goes wrong,  it can execute the cancel method
> > to recover the balance according to the temporal table and remove the
> > temporal table afterward. In this way, when a customer visits his/her
> > balance, we can do simple calculation of the value in actual table and
> > temporal table to return the origianl value before the transaction
> > executed.
> >
> > Within transaction ids in the table row, each create/update/delete
> > operation is idempotent and it simplies a lot of work to make sure
> > sub-transactions are idempotent.
> >
> >
> > Any other ideas or suggestions on the isolation support in Saga are
> > welcome. Thanks.
> >
> >
> > [1] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@servicecomb.apach
> > e.org:lte=1M:a%20question%20about%20acid%20
> > [2] http://design.inf.usi.ch/sites/default/files/biblio/rest-tcc.pdf
> >
> >
> > Best Regards!
> > Eric Lee
> >
>

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