+1 agree that the work is really aligning the feature repos, and (at times) 
politely submitting fixes to upstream published features.

> On Jan 21, 2023, at 12:01 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lukasz,
> 
> Regarding the first point, if you take a look at the ServiceMix
> mailing list past message, it has been discussed: we want to move the
> used parts of ServiceMIx in Karaf, and propose alternatives for other
> parts (like SMX and the new protocol handler proposal).
> 
> Now, about the proposal:
> 1. I don't propose a subproject, just a new assembly in Karaf OSGi
> runtime as we have minimal and standard. The proposal is not to take
> ServiceMix "as it is", but create an integration features repository
> with cleanup.
> 2. I don't see huge effort, only picking dependency features (the
> features are still provided by third parties). For instance, today we
> have the enterprise features repositories (containing eclipselink,
> narayana, etc), the integration features repositories would contain
> "turnkey" features.
> 
> I don't see a difference with what we do in the itests today.
> 
> Regards
> JB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 9:57 PM Łukasz Dywicki <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> I see its an interesting concept, however - given that SMX is still not
>> at attic, I need to ask what is benefit of doing such large distribution
>> within Karaf project itself?
>> From technical point of view we need to separate dependencies to avoid
>> cyclic dependencies, so Camel, CXF and others and we (Karaf) can be
>> built. If we do it in separate sub-project, what's the difference to
>> making it at servicemix?
>> Shall we be using same version as Karaf or stick to different scheme?
>> How that would look a like?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Łukasz
>> 
>> On 19.01.2023 13:41, Jamie G. wrote:
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> I agree with the direction. I've noted that most SMX deployments I see
>>> have continued on with Apache Karaf.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jamie
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:46 AM Sobkowiak, Krzysztof
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> +1 (binding)
>>>> 
>>>> I think, it's time to do this step. It's a difficult for me to say it
>>>> after many years of contribution in this community. I think the idea of
>>>> ServiceMix as oss integration platform was great but it is simply in a
>>>> long agony actually. I think it has a chance to survive in the Karaf
>>>> community.
>>>> 
>>>> When there are any features of current SMX distribution which will be
>>>> not part of the integration distro (to not to make it too complicated)
>>>> but are worth to survive, they can be simply described in a
>>>> documentation as set of how-tos.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards
>>>> 
>>>> Krzysztof
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 18.01.2023 13:44, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The ServiceMix community is discussing about moving most of the SMX
>>>>> parts into Karaf (the useful parts ;) ).
>>>>> 
>>>>> As part of this move, the "main" ServiceMix distribution is mainly a
>>>>> Karaf assembly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Currently, we have two distributions: "standard"
>>>>> (apache-karaf-x.x.x.tar.gz) and "minimal"
>>>>> (apache-karaf-minimal-x.x.x.tar.gz).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I propose to add a new distribution (in assemblies):
>>>>> apache-karaf-integration-x.x.x.tar.gz containing ready to go
>>>>> Karaf/Camel/CXF/ActiveMQ smooth integration.
>>>>> Concretely, it means:
>>>>> - we will have integration features repository XML
>>>>> - we will have a distribution based on this features repository
>>>>> - we will have itest on this distribution with the best coverage we can
>>>>> 
>>>>> If there is no objection, I will create the Jira and create a PR (as I
>>>>> have almost all ready :)).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thoughts ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB

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