On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Imesh Gunaratne <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Lakmal,
>
> Thanks for the clarification, now I got a clear picture of what we meant
> by an application for the initial release. I was under the impression that
> an application is pre built and deployed later.
>
> Let me try to put together a sample work flow according to this design:
>
> Tenant Admin Tasks:
> 1. Define IaaS configuration
>

this will come under Super Admin. Others are fine.


> 2. Register docker clusters
> 3. Deploy partitions
> 4. Deploy autoscaling policies
> 5. Deploy deployment policies
> 6. Deploy cartridges
>
> Tenant User Tasks:
> 1. Create service groups
> 2. Create an application using available cartridges, policies, by defining
> dependencies, etc
> 3. Deploy application
>
> Dakshika: Shall we use this work flow in the UI?
>
> Thanks
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Lakmal Warusawithana <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Imesh Gunaratne <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Lakmal Warusawithana <[email protected]>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, it should through the application deploy. If its a single
>>>> cartridge, then application json has single cartridge info.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Lakmal: I understand that the current design is to start all service
>>> clusters when the application is deployed. However I see following
>>> limitations with this design:
>>> - We cannot maintain a list of available applications within Stratos
>>> unless we connect an app store.
>>>
>>
>> We may have pre build application templates, but not in this stage. We
>> can't have all in one release IMO, but that was the plan.
>> Shall we come up with UI for application creation using cartridges,
>> policies, dependancies ..etc
>>
>>
>>> - Since all service clustered get created at the application deployment
>>> time, resources will get allocated even when applications are not used by
>>> tenants.
>>>
>>
>> What is an application, why tenant/user create/deploy an application. We
>> are deploy an application, that because we need run time for my
>> application, yes that mean, it need resource allocation which is the
>> expectation. (same as previous cartridge subscription).  Application
>> resources can down to minimum when tenants are not using, thats why auto
>> scaling policies meant to do.
>>
>>
>>> - Applications are not reusable by multiple tenants: Since the
>>> application definition contains the artifact repo information the deployed
>>> application get bound to the given repository. If another tenant needs the
>>> same application we need to deploy it again with a different settings.
>>>
>>>
>> You mean application jsons? If you refer it as application, has some
>> confusion with the runtime :). We have to provide generate application
>> templates with the defined application json, by removing all tenants level
>> information. Again, IMO in the next release. :)
>>
>>
>> WDYT?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Lahiru Sandaruwan <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Imesh Gunaratne <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Devs,
>>>>>
>>>>> In Stratos 4.0.0 release we used following terminology:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Create a Cartridge *
>>>>> Create a VM/docker image, configuration management (puppet) module and
>>>>> specify cartridge definition
>>>>>
>>>>> *Deploy a Cartridge*
>>>>> Upload a cartridge definition to Stratos.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subscribe to a Cartridge*
>>>>> Create an instance/cluster of above cartridge
>>>>>
>>>>> *Un-Subscribe from a Cartridge*
>>>>> Remove the instance/cluster created in the subscription
>>>>>
>>>>> *Un-Deploy a Cartridge*
>>>>> Remove a cartridge definition from Stratos
>>>>>
>>>>> Now with service grouping things have been changed slightly and we may
>>>>> need to consider using new terminology for this process. How do you like
>>>>> following terminology:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Create an Application*
>>>>> Create VM/docker images, configuration management (puppet) modules,
>>>>> specify cartridge definitions, dependencies and application definition
>>>>>
>>>>> *Deploy an Application*
>>>>> Upload an application definition to Stratos
>>>>>
>>>>> *Start an Application*
>>>>> Create an instance of the application and create clusters for the
>>>>> corrosponding cartridges.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 for separation of these actions. It will increase the usability.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Stop an Application*
>>>>> Remove the application instance and clusters created in application
>>>>> startup process.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Un-Deploy an Application*
>>>>> Remove an application definition from Stratos
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition to these we may still use the terms:
>>>>> Create/Deploy/Undeploy Cartridge.
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed that with the latest grouping changes we have removed the
>>>>> concept of subscription and included it in the deployment phase. IMO it
>>>>> would be better to have a separation between these two steps because
>>>>> otherwise all applications deployed in Stratos will be up and running all
>>>>> the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Imesh Gunaratne
>>>>>
>>>>> Technical Lead, WSO2
>>>>> Committer & PMC Member, Apache Stratos
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> Lahiru Sandaruwan
>>>> Committer and PMC member, Apache Stratos,
>>>> Senior Software Engineer,
>>>> WSO2 Inc., http://wso2.com
>>>> lean.enterprise.middleware
>>>>
>>>> email: [email protected] blog: http://lahiruwrites.blogspot.com/
>>>> linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/pub/lahiru-sandaruwan/16/153/146
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Imesh Gunaratne
>>>
>>> Technical Lead, WSO2
>>> Committer & PMC Member, Apache Stratos
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lakmal Warusawithana
>> Vice President, Apache Stratos
>> Director - Cloud Architecture; WSO2 Inc.
>> Mobile : +94714289692
>> Blog : http://lakmalsview.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Imesh Gunaratne
>
> Technical Lead, WSO2
> Committer & PMC Member, Apache Stratos
>



-- 
Lakmal Warusawithana
Vice President, Apache Stratos
Director - Cloud Architecture; WSO2 Inc.
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