The whole point of using Stratos as a test case for the probationary TLP idea was to provide a vehicle for those who felt this was viable route to incubation to demonstrate how it would work. Specifically it was intended to be an opportunity to start to answer the concerns that I, and others, raised about skipping the IPMC altogether.
However, as Ant and Suresh point out, in the more than six weeks since I summarized the discussions during the proposal phase the Stratos project has done almost all it needs to graduate. I agree with Ant that at this point it makes more sense for mentors to spend their time finishing incubation and graduate the project as a standard podling. Chris and anyone else who support the pTLP idea can take the outline process I pulled together from our earlier discussions (summarized at the start of this thread) and apply them to some other project as their time allows. It is too late to do it here. Stratos should not have to go through the pain of defining a new process unless it brings benefit to the project itself. Ross Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Senior Technology Evangelist Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation On 7 August 2013 13:16, Suresh Marru <[email protected]> wrote: > On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:46 PM, ant elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Greg Stein <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks, Ant. I'm on a phone right now, and have not read the background. > (so, terse response). But the dev@ list is fine. In my mind, a > probationary TLP is a conversation between a community and the Board. And > dev@ is the community, so is the best place to discuss before bringing an > idea to the Board. > > > > On Aug 6, 2013 1:10 AM, "ant elder" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I was wondering if the Stratos dev list is the best place to be > > discussing this, there are probably interested people who aren't > > subscribed or following here, though maybe general@incubator wouldn't > > be ideal either. I've cc'd Chris and Greg in this email so they at > > least know its here as they've expressed interest in the past. > > > > Ok lets do it here then. > > > > One of the things i'm stuggling with at the moment is what would be the > differences with Stratos becoming a pTLP compared with just graduating. > > > > Looking at graduating, the Incubator minimum graduation requirements are > documented here: > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Graduation+Requirements > > > > With Stratos having so many of its contributors be existing ASF > committers, PMC members, or ASF members it would be easy to argue for > automatically ticking off many of those requirements and then not much is > left to do on the graduation requirements list. The main one would be > checking the "Stratos" name for trademark issues, eg someone needs to go > through: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html. Once thats done > then a regular resolution for graduation could be submitted to the board. > > > > I know that wouldn't so much help progress the pTLP topic, is that a > goal of Stratos here? > > > > …ant > > Hi Ant, > > This is exactly I am having the trouble getting my head around. I am > seeing this as two separate issues, one furthering the topic of pTLP with > Stratos as the use case. This will be a good guinea pig project with a > wealth of exiting ASF and PMC members/committers. Second quick leap into > graduation, which I agree is only few steps away. > > Hi All, > > I see the project is doing very well in engaging the community, doing lot > of information sharing and conducting business in mailing lists and jira. > Either pTLP or graduation, the outstanding tasks I am looking forward to > see the progress: getting a release right with properly formulated license > and notice files (especially for convenience binaries which bundle third > party dependencies) and see working progress in removing dependence on ws02 > repositories. I see now a big list of dependencies are not coming from > maven central but from wso2 repos this is good to avoid. Essentially the > parent pom [1] should be able to point to apache parent and remove all the > repos here. > > Suresh > > [1] - > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-stratos.git;a=blob_plain;f=pom.xml;hb=HEAD
