I didn't think it was harsh myself, I think it was a valid point. My answer from a previous response basically boils down to I don't think this solves everyone's Web Services needs, but I think in some cases it can be an easy path to take. Sometimes the path of least resistance is all you need, or sometimes all you CAN do because when the business is pushing you to get something done, I know from years of experience, as I'm sure you all do as well, that good architecture is sometimes a luxury you can't afford the time to do. I hate to say it, and you hope to be in an environment where veryone recognizes that doing things right the first time is better than doing it half-assed ten times, but in many situations that just isn't the case, and if this helps in those situations, I think that's a good thing.

Now Hal's comment was harsh! :)


From: "Deadman, Hal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Struts Web Services Enablement Project
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:26:31 -0400

Not harsh enough.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jung, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:18 AM
To: Struts Developers List
Subject: RE: Struts Web Services Enablement Project


Wow, that's kind of harsh, Duncan.

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 3:38 AM
To: Struts Developers List
Subject: Re: Struts Web Services Enablement Project


Frank forgive me here, but playing Devils Advocate, if you have clean MVC separation then surely the last thing you want to do is to expose Actions as Web Services. It is reasonable to want to expose Business Service Providers such as EJB, or TopLink beans as Web Services but that's up in the model layer, what's the point in pushing the access point down into the Controller code?

Or do you see here a solution for all those folks who've not followed
best practice and have intermingled Controller functionality with
Business logic..?

Regards

Duncan Mills
Senior Principal Product Manager
Oracle Application Development Tools



Frank Zammetti wrote:

> Hello devs!  This is my first time posting here, and my first attempt
> at contributing to an Apache project.  I hope I'm going about it
> properly! :)
>
> In short, I have a little project going with the stated goal of
> allowing a Struts developer to expose any existing business logic, as
> implemented in Struts Actions and their subordinate helper classes, as

> Web Services, and do this with NO changes required to any existing
> application code, and as little change to Struts itself as possible.
> Simplicity is the key to this!
>
> Today I released a second version of this project to the user's
> mailing list, and after some feedback I think it's at a point where
> I'd like to make you all aware of it, and get some higher-level
> feedback.  It's certainly far from complete at this point, but I think

> even now it's in a useful form.
>
> My hope is that eventually it will be good enough to be included in
> the base Struts distro, but that's obviously a long way off, if ever.
>
> With all that in mind, please at your convenience visit
> http://www.omnytex.com/strutsws
>
> There you will find some more detailed technical information and a
> download which contains everything you need, including a simple sample

> webapp demonstrating the whole mess.
>
> I thank you in advance for any time you spend on this!
>
> Frank W. Zammetti
>
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