On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:51:59 -0800, Don Brown wrote:
> While I generally agree with letting a project's direction be
> guided by those that are willing to do the work, in this case, I
> think we do need to come to a consensus on a single build tool and
> work to get rid of the other.  
> Since you are well versed in Maven
> and are willing to do the work as evidenced by recent commits,
> let's all agree to make Maven the official Struts build tool and
> not even bother with Ant.  I have complete faith in your ability to
> ensure 100% functionality with Maven.
>
> I should also add, if you need any help in an area, let me know.
>
> Don

For the time being, we have to "bother" with Ant, because, AFAIK, it's the only 
way we have to build the website right now.

Once there is a working Maven build, I'm sure we will be happy to scrap the 
remaining Ant buildfiles. Me probably most of all. After five long years of 
maintaining Ant property files, I'm very happy to let Maven maintain a 
repository for me :)

But, I do want to remind everyone that we do all have the right to revolution. 
If someone ever wants to experiment with Ant again, it's their right to do so. 
Just as it was our right to start experimenting with Maven last year.

I also want to point out that it's physically impossible for anyone but those 
who are willing to do the work to guide a project's direction. We can post 
messages until doomsday, but that's not going to get us a working build. The 
one and only thing that will get us a Maven build is volunteers doing the work.

After all, if someone committed a fully-functional Ant build tomorrow, what 
could we do about it? Could we veto it? We all have the right to veto a product 
change, but only if we are able to provide a viable alternative. In this 
hypothetical, that would be a working Maven build. So, no, we couldn't veto it. 
Until someone could commit a working Maven build, as James is close to doing, 
we'd have to retain the solution that worked.

When we say things like "them that does the work makes the decisions", we 
aren't stating policy. We're recognizing reality. :)

-Ted.



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