This may seem [OT] to some people on the list, but I hope it drives another 
nail into FormDef's coffin.  Seriously, who in their right mind would declare a 
bean with Java?


Ryan Stewart wrote:
I'll second that. I'm hardly "new," but I much prefer to have everything packaged as one unit as well.

Excerpt from _Database in Depth_ by C.J. Date:

One last point (I didn't mention this explicitly before, but I hope it's 
obvious from everything I did say): overall, the relational model is 
declarative, not procedural, in nature; that is, we favor declarative solutions 
over procedural ones, wherever such solutions are feasible. The reason is 
obvious: declarative means the system does the work, procedural means the user 
does the work (so we're talking about productivity, among other things). That's 
why the relational model supports declarative queries, declarative updates, 
declarative view definitions, declarative integrity constraints, and so on.[*]

   [*] As this book was going to press, I was informed that at least one well-known SQL 
product apparently uses the term "declarative" to mean the system doesn't do 
the work! That is, it allows the user to state certain things declaratively (for example, 
the fact that a certain view has a certain key), but it doesn't enforce the constraint 
implied by that declaration—it simply assumes the user is going to enforce it instead. 
Such terminological abuses do little to help the cause of genuine understanding. Caveat 
lector.

http://tinyurl.com/au77v

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I feel confident in saying that MS SQL is the product in question.

-Dave

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