Sounds like Wendy says it best. I definitely agree that a lot of Java users are at a point where they don't know what a class path is, much less the importance of ClassLoader hierarchies. It's unfortunate that "using an IDE" gets associated with that.
It's good to get the word out that you can use an IDE and still know how to dig through the guts of a project like commons-jci (which is used by WebWork's QuickStart app: http://wiki.opensymphony.com/display/WW/QuickStart) and not be scared. Ditto for WebWork's continuation support (http://wiki.opensymphony.com/display/WW/Continuations) which uses some pretty crazy byte-code manipulation. Patrick On 12/9/05, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/9/05, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Martin Cooper wrote: > > > My turn to date myself, along with Frank. ;-) > > > > No wories, we're not women :) (Oh boy, I think I see Wendy getting > > ready to fire off a reply - LOL!) > > (You think I'm _that_ easily offended?!) I'm just enjoying the war > stories, and trying to guess how old everyone is. When I start > worrying about the long list of things I have yet to learn, it's > comforting to know that most of you have at least a few years' head > start. ;) > > I'm enjoying IDEA (though sometimes it's so intutitive it's scary... > and occasionally it's just plain embarrassing when it points out > something I should have known better than to do in the first place.) > But I still use jEdit more than anything else. So far I haven't seen > an IDE that matches jEdit's HyperSearch (IDEA only wants to search > source code) or that uses BeanShell for macros. > > There are times when I like the suggestions and the ability to jump > from usage to interface to implementation with a few keystrokes... and > other times when I just want to be left alone. With both jEdit and > IDEA set to auto-reload changed files, I go back and forth depending > on my mood. > > I also don't ever want to be in a situation where I can't edit with > vi, construct a classpath and compile code at the command line if I > _really_ have to. For a reality check, I go back to comp.lang.java > and see if I can answer any questions. :) > > -- > Wendy > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
