I have some other things going on over the next few weeks that will mesh nicely with documenting how to do this.

/Ian


Don Brown wrote:

I think the answer to all this is the built-in themes. Right now, I'm proposing that the current themes use Dojo where an advanced widget is needed, however there could very well be a "prototype" theme, or the user could replace the default head.ftl (that loads dojo) with their own. Component themes, and the ease of overriding a given template, is a very powerful concept. This is definitely something we'll need to document more.

Don

Martin Cooper wrote:

(Yeah, I'm very late catching up...)

On 3/28/06, Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I had very bad experiences with Dojo so far, and I brought this into
discussion on ww forums. I wouldn't encourage moving to Dojo, because the browser support is still lacking, and from the feeling we got from their

ml
some of the old browsers, that are still used (f.e. IE 5.5) will

be  missing
in the next versions.

If you believe http://thecounter.com/stats/2006/March/browser.php, IE
5.5 only has 2% market share.  I wouldn't blame a project for not
spending a large amount of resources supporting that.



It's not just lack of market share. IE 5.5 has some serious deficiencies
when it comes to DHTML and DOM manipulation. So the question becomes one of how much effort do you want to put in to support a minimally used browser, and negatively impact performance on more modern browsers at the same time.
IMHO, the Dojo folks made the right decision.

That said, I think we should try to keep the JS libraries as
pluggable as possible.  But maybe it's impossible to bundle valuable
features and still do that -- I was really surprised at how many
dependencies Webwork accepted, and I'm still trying to work out for
myself whether that's better in the long run.  I think the Struts
community philosophy was very conservative about that, but it may do
us well to challenge that philosophy.

Still, having roots in that philosophy, again my inclination is to
try to be more library agnostic.  Can that work?



Well, in theory, yes. In practice, in the general case, I seriously doubt
it. To really accomplish that, we'd end up building yet another custom
abstraction. That would (a) negatively impact performance, and (b) eliminate the option of using certain toolkits (e.g. Dojo) the way they were designed
to be used, viz _without_ an abstraction layer on top of the browser.

--
Martin Cooper


Joe
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"You really can't burn anything out by trying something new, and
even if you can burn it out, it can be fixed.  Try something new."
        -- Robert Moog

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