I am also -1 because on #2 that's not how I understand the 
voting process to work. It's cut a version, publish it out as
beta for developers to use, vote later on it. I model my thoughts
after what I've seen on Tomcat.

-- Paul

--- Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 5/16/06, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think the solution is to:
> >  1. Make betas publicly available and widely known like our 1.1 betas were
> 
> +1
> 
> I think the notion that we can't announce and mirrors Betas is a
> misunderstanding. We can mirror an announce *any* release, even an
> Alpha.
> 
> After distribution as an Alpha or a Beta, we can upgrade the release
> quality to GA, if appropriate. When a release series is very mature,
> like 1.2.x is now, we might go straight to GA, but that's not
> realistic for a new minor series.
> 
> >  2. Do all testing and even the vote _before_ a code freeze and
> > subsequent release.  I personally won't waste my time doing a release
> > if people will only test it after the fact.
> 
> -1
> 
> I won't cast a quality vote on anything but a tagged and rolled,
> downloadable distribution. Many of the problems we've had in the past
> (not just this time, but with other series too) appear in the final
> product and are not evident in a checkout.
> 
> The nature of the beast is that it takes anywhere from three to five
> Betas before we hit a GA release. That's not just Apache Struts, but
> all the ASF projects I've ever followed.
> 
> -Ted.
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