>I guess context is the most important factor. For tutorials it might make
>sense to have "controlled exposure" to complex topics. For reference
>examples, though, I think that argument >does not hold and we should still be
>explicit.
I think this would be a good compromise. Do you agree with this Bruce?
>I certainly respect everyone's ideas and suggestions and appreciate people
>providing feedback. I'm not sure how we resolve this disagreement. Is
>there a Struts 2 documentation "leader" who can decide? Is that you
>Musachy?
We don't have any kind of "leader". We argue here ad nauseum until we
get to an agreement, if we don't (we usually do), often we end up
doing whatever the person doing the job think is best, when in doubt,
do what you think is best and wait until someone complains, that's
what I do :)
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Dale Newfield <d...@newfield.org> wrote:
> phillips1021 wrote:
>>
>> I certainly respect everyone's ideas and suggestions and appreciate people
>> providing feedback.
>
> You're the one doing the work, so you certainly have the right to disagree
> with me/us and do it however you'd like. Therefore I won't respond to stuff
> that's a matter of opinion, just items I believe to be false.
>
>> 2. The published Struts 2 books (Struts In Action, Using Apache
>> Struts
>> 2) don't commonly use the %{ } syntax and most examples published on the
>> web
>> don't use the %{ } syntax.
>
> I was a reviewer for the latter, and I stressed throughout my reviews that I
> thought it would be a better idea to be explicit about the OGNL expressions.
> I don't recall the reasoning, but I guess my suggestions were ignored
> there, too :-)
>
>> 5. For better or worse the current widespread usage of Struts 2 by
>> Java
>> developers is usage that doesn't use %{ } unless necessary.
>
> From where do you derive this conclusion? I've mentioned this suggestion on
> the user's list a number of times over the last several years, and I have
> often gotten responses of the form "I agree, and I have my whole team do
> this," etc. So while you may be right, I certainly hope not, and moreover I
> don't know how to validate either conclusion.
>
>> 6. My plan for these tutorials is after I've taken the user through
>> common use cases (form submission, validation, use of Service classes, use
>> of Spring) to have a few tutorials on OGNL.
>
> I guess context is the most important factor. For tutorials it might make
> sense to have "controlled exposure" to complex topics. For reference
> examples, though, I think that argument does not hold and we should still be
> explicit.
>
> -Dale
>
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