On Sat, 23 May 2009 15:26:22 -0400 Kris Maglione <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 08:48:28PM +0200, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > >> No, it doesn't. I'd be in favor of it, but it would require > >> switching over to xulrunner and breaking compatibility with > >> other extensions (some of which are too useful to give up). > > > >did you mean switching away from xulrunner? firefox (and hence > >vimperator) use xulrunner, no? > >May I ask which FF extensions you like so much? > > Yes, Firefox uses xulrunner, but it's a xulrunner app in and of > itself. The other option is to run directly on xulrunner, > without all of Firefox's trappings, and thus have more control > over its inner workings. > > As for the extensions, it's not so much that I like them as that > I need them. I occasionally have to do web development work, and > there's no way I'm giving up Firebug, for instance. I also tend > to miss Adblock a lot when it's gone (but webkit has a > counterpart). Something akin to NoScript would be nice, but I > hate that heap of crap. Every time I've tried to take apart its > internals to make it usable, I've given up in anger. Other than > that, I've replaced most of my extensions with either Vimperator > scripts, or additions to Vimperator itself. I hear you. firebug rocks. I will probably also keep using FF+firebug+web developer toolbar, but just for developing/debugging/.. web pages. Eg purely as a web development tool. (unless i find something better). Uzbl aims to be a browser, not a do-it-all, so I think it's a win-win. Though there is an inspector for webkit, which may not be as feature complete as firebug, and in the future we may add some features to enable/disable some things. Most things a person could need can probably implemented in cleaner, more unixy ways with uzbl and scripts. Just thinking out loud. We'll see what the future brings. > > >did you mean wmii9menu ? I'm also a wmii user but I have no wimenu on > >my system. I prefer dmenu since you can control it with the keyboard. > >(in fact I prefer dmenu-vertical, a patched version from someone on > >the arch forums. screenie: (the top menu) > >http://www.uzbl.org/img/screenshot-2.png) > > No, I mean wimenu (bundled with wmii). It's like dmenu but, in > my opinion, better. Weird. I fetched the wmii 3.6 tarball, but it only contains wmii9menu. no wimenu. I even got the latest wmii+ixp-20080520 No wimenu either. I downloaded both from http://code.suckless.org/dl/wmii/ Though wimenu is shown @ http://code.suckless.org/hg/wmii/raw-file/0ab9741bbff2/cmd/menu/ Now I'm confused... > > >> > >> You probably are. > > > >Please enlighten me then :) What does vimperator do more then > >providing a vimlike interface? > > Well, don't get me started on the vim-like interface. There's > this edict that we have to stay “mostly” vim compatible, which > means a bunch of muddled inconsistent interfaces imported from > vim and some vim-like keys that do something completely > different than your fingers are programmed to recall. But, I > digress... > > From my perspective, other than a fairly usable interface, > vimperator is pretty much just a framework to make my browser do > what I want. I've been doing what I can to untangle the codebase > into a bunch of modular APIs that don't really care what you do > with them. At this point, I pretty routinely write plugins in a > few lines of code, in a single file, that do the work of massive > Firefox extensions. At any rate, Vimperator doesn't really > get along well with Firefox. We more or less fight it tooth and > nail to try and be more vim- or Unix- line. I see. thanks. > > >In your other mail you specifically mentioned you are interested in > >integration with wmii. Well, me too :) I would like to hear your > >ideas. > > Well, I don't have any concrete ideas, other than using wimenu > for the command line. I suspect that once I've used it for a > while, though, I'll want some application specific window > management logic. I think I'd be likely to use a group of tags > instead of a single tag with multiple windows with multiple > tabs. > > Sorry for any rambling. I haven't slept. > When you have slept and have a clear mind, read my "instances management" proposal I showed you in my previous mail. I think you might like it. Dieter
