And "rush", what rush?
Unless of course you consider it a race with e.g. Commons Config, there is
not a strict timeline or quota I'm aware at Apache as e.g. JCP introduced
lately for new JSRs.
Projects that have a slightly smaller team e.g. DeviceMap take a while, but
thanks to also my active contribution it just graduated. Others like
PhoneGap/Cordova, OpenOffice or DeltaSpike with a slightly larger number of
committers did so a bit earlier. So those who really contribute here will
determine the pace and when it's ready to leave the incubator.
Werner
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Where do you get that?
>
> There were suggestions to "prune" things, which e.g. Anatole also did not
> see useful.
> It's a good thing to know Commons Config (which was among the "related
> projects" from day one of this effort) is active again, whether we feel
> it's good to incorporate it or work separately, I guess we'll find out down
> the path.
>
> Regards,
> Werner
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Gerhard Petracek <
> gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> @werner:
>> please don't get it wrong, but if you don't like something - just tell it
>> - intimations don't help a lot.
>> afaik we aren't in a rush and therefore we can just benefit from
>> discussing
>> and reviewing topics step by step.
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-12-04 16:49 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > About Commons Config, I am not sure, if he's still involved, but given
>> Geir
>> > was also elected into the JCP EC I should be able to chat with him
>> about it
>> > during upcoming F2F meeting like the one in January. He was a committer
>> to
>> > Commons Config 1, but no longer seems to contribute there now.
>> >
>> > Werner
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Anatole Tresch <atsti...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi all
>> > >
>> > > please just try to be polite to each other. Most important thing is:
>> edit
>> > > the subject before sending a new topic, so a new thread is opened, and
>> > yes
>> > > ensure not more than 2-3 threads are running in parallel ;).
>> Currently it
>> > > is really a mess. Basically we discuss 2 things as of now, and I
>> suggest
>> > to
>> > > postpone other topics a bit, so we keep control...
>> > >
>> > > -Anatole
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2014-12-04 16:31 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com>:
>> > >
>> > > > You may have noticed, the very important "annot" point was also
>> "bent"
>> > > > beyond recognition with other sometimes random topics. Maybe
>> somebody
>> > > > should simply have created a separate thread or replied elsewhere;-)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Well there are replies to good to know fact that Commons Config is
>> > > "alive
>> > > > > and kicking" (based on the project page and recent activity) that
>> > > should
>> > > > > not belong to this thread.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > @Romain, others please discuss things like stage, etc. it in other
>> > > > > threads;-)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > Werner
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Gerhard Petracek <
>> > > > > gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> @werner:
>> > > > >> we already have important and ongoing discussions in other
>> threads
>> > > > >> (starting step by step).
>> > > > >> imo it doesn't make sense to start new threads about "random"
>> topics
>> > > > which
>> > > > >> will be discussed later on (once they are due).
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> regards,
>> > > > >> gerhard
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> 2014-12-04 16:16 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <
>> > rmannibu...@gmail.com
>> > > >:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> > there are stages in jsf, deltaspike, spring and several other
>> > libs.
>> > > In
>> > > > >> > practise a system property is also ofnte used and enough for
>> the
>> > > > >> > config:
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Configuration.fromPaths("/foo/bar/" +
>> > > > >> > System.getProperty("myapp.stage", "prod") +
>> "-config.properties);
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Environment would make sense only when we'll support
>> distribution
>> > > > >> > which is far to be the case so we can maybe drop it for now.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Romain Manni-Bucau
>> > > > >> > @rmannibucau
>> > > > >> > http://www.tomitribe.com
>> > > > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
>> > > > >> > https://github.com/rmannibucau
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > 2014-12-04 16:11 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com
>> >:
>> > > > >> > > One could merge *Stage *and *Environment*, see Multiconf, but
>> > > > abusing
>> > > > >> > *Stage
>> > > > >> > > *to model *Environment *seems rather pointless.
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > > Werner
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Werner Keil <
>> > > werner.k...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> > wrote:
>> > > > >> > >
>> > > > >> > >> >About stage: we have enough stage outside tje config to
>> use it
>> > > > >> without
>> > > > >> > >> What do you mean here, the totally inadequate ProjectStage
>> enum
>> > > in
>> > > > >> > JSF?;-)
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> IMHO at least the notion of Environment should be present,
>> > > > otherwise
>> > > > >> > >> multi-tenancy or "Cloud" support that Java EE keeps babbling
>> > > about
>> > > > >> ever
>> > > > >> > >> since at least EE 7 will remain the same joke and empty
>> phrase
>> > in
>> > > > >> > Tamaya as
>> > > > >> > >> it does there (or in the PR of most large companies
>> including
>> > > > >> Oracle;-D)
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> Werner Keil | JCP Executive Committee Member, JSR 363 Co
>> Spec
>> > > Lead
>> > > > |
>> > > > >> > >> Eclipse UOMo Lead, Babel Language Champion | Apache
>> Committer |
>> > > > >> Advisory
>> > > > >> > >> Board Member, DWX '15
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> Twitter @wernerkeil | @UnitAPI | @JSR354 | @AgoravaProj |
>> > > > @DeviceMap
>> > > > >> |
>> > > > >> > #EclipseUOMo
>> > > > >> > >> | #DevOps
>> > > > >> > >> Skype werner.keil | Google+ gplus.to/wernerkeil
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>> > > > >> > rmannibu...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> > >> wrote:
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >>> About stage: we have enough stage outside tje config to
>> use it
>> > > > >> without
>> > > > >> > >>> any issue or code to write with [configuration].
>> > > > >> > >>> About Environment: not a strong requirement in enough
>> cases to
>> > > not
>> > > > >> be
>> > > > >> > >>> present by default.
>> > > > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> > >>> We could surely use [configuration] in our impl pretty
>> easily
>> > > (in
>> > > > a
>> > > > >> > >>> format/reader depending where we finish)
>> > > > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> > >>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> > > > >> > >>> @rmannibucau
>> > > > >> > >>> http://www.tomitribe.com
>> > > > >> > >>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
>> > > > >> > >>> https://github.com/rmannibucau
>> > > > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> > >>> 2014-12-04 15:52 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <
>> werner.k...@gmail.com
>> > >:
>> > > > >> > >>> > After a brief but slightly deeper look at Commons Config
>> 2,
>> > it
>> > > > >> could
>> > > > >> > be
>> > > > >> > >>> > better separated into API vs. implementations (similar to
>> > say
>> > > > >> Log4J
>> > > > >> > 2;-)
>> > > > >> > >>> > and something notably absent is the concept of "Stage" or
>> > > > >> > >>> "Environment". In
>> > > > >> > >>> > theory the 2 projects could explore synergies making
>> Tamaya
>> > > the
>> > > > >> > "Cloud
>> > > > >> > >>> > Enabler" for some of the core concepts that look fairly
>> neat
>> > > in
>> > > > >> > Commons
>> > > > >> > >>> > Config 2 (I worked with V1 in a few projects, it was a
>> bit
>> > > > complex
>> > > > >> > but
>> > > > >> > >>> > doable)
>> > > > >> > >>> >
>> > > > >> > >>> > Werner
>> > > > >> > >>> >
>> > > > >> > >>> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Werner Keil <
>> > > > >> werner.k...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >> > >>> wrote:
>> > > > >> > >>> >
>> > > > >> > >>> >> Hi,
>> > > > >> > >>> >>
>> > > > >> > >>> >> Probably more important than config subsystems in JSR
>> 107
>> > or
>> > > > >> Log4J 2
>> > > > >> > >>> >> (though it altogether got a really good rewrite making
>> any
>> > > > effort
>> > > > >> > for a
>> > > > >> > >>> >> "Logging JSR" by some people almost pointless;-) seems a
>> > > > massive
>> > > > >> > >>> redesign
>> > > > >> > >>> >> and recent activity of Apache Commons Logging 2:
>> > > > >> > >>> >>
>> > > > >>
>> http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-configuration/index.html
>> > > > >> > >>> >>
>> > > > >> > >>> >> Anybody had a look at that?
>> > > > >> > >>> >>
>> > > > >> > >>> >> Apache certainly has a very multicultural ecosystem,
>> look
>> > at
>> > > > >> Struts
>> > > > >> > vs.
>> > > > >> > >>> >> OpenFaces vs. Wicket vs. Tapestry and who knows how many
>> > (Web
>> > > > >> MVC)
>> > > > >> > >>> projects
>> > > > >> > >>> >> all exist, so why not have at least 2 or 3 for
>> > configuration.
>> > > > >> > >>> >>
>> > > > >> > >>> >> Something noteworthy is, that Commons Configuration 2
>> > > refrains
>> > > > >> from
>> > > > >> > any
>> > > > >> > >>> >> static factory.
>> > > > >> > >>> >> Even a class sounding like it was static such as
>> > > Configurations
>> > > > >> (in
>> > > > >> > a
>> > > > >> > >>> new
>> > > > >> > >>> >> "fluent" package) works like this:
>> > > > >> > >>> >> Configurations configurations = new Configurations();
>> > > > >> > >>> >> PropertiesConfiguration config =
>> > > configurations.properties(new
>> > > > >> File(
>> > > > >> > >>> >> "config.properties"));
>> > > > >> > >>> >>
>> > > > >> > >>> >> Werner
>> > > > >> > >>> >>
>> > > > >> > >>> >>
>> > > > >> > >>> >>
>> > > > >> > >>> >>
>> > > > >> > >>>
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> > >>
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
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