No simpler: List<Integer> get(key, new TamayaType<List<Integer>>(){});
Le 18 janv. 2015 19:37, "Werner Keil" <[email protected]> a écrit :

> Well I did not suggest Converters, maybe Romain referred to a different
> part of the API (though his example signature mentioned a Converter, too)
> If you have a method:
> Collection<T> getAll() returning a Collection which is in fact backed by a
> LinkedList or another List, why would you lose its order if you cast it to
> a List?
>
> Trying to cast to say a Set would produce a ClassCastException, one could
> check this before trying to cast, but if the underlying type is a List it
> remains a list.
>
> Werner
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Converters (PropertyAdaptors) do convert the values INSIDE the list. You
> > would not be able to distinguish properly.
> >
> > And casting this to a sorted List makes no sense at all if there are Sets
> > used in PropertySources or anywhere in the Configuration system where you
> > would loose the natural (configured) original order.
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> > On Sunday, 18 January 2015, 18:31, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Guys we have converters so why do we discuss type?
> > >Are converters not able to handle it? If so we have to update them
> > removing Class for Type...btw we shouldnt have getTargetType but we
> should
> > use reflection to get it and keep api clean IMO. See AnnotationLiteral or
> > TypeLiteral class for samples.
> > >Le 18 janv. 2015 18:28, "Werner Keil" <[email protected]> a écrit :
> > >
> > >Would it be a sacrileg having to cast a Collection to a List or Set
> > then?;-)
> > >>
> > >>Werner
> > >>
> > >>On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Sometimes sorting MIGHT be important. Consider you configure a
> weighted
> > >>> list of valid options. Where the one listed first is the most
> imported
> > one.
> > >>>
> > >>> LieGrue,
> > >>> strub
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> > On Sunday, 18 January 2015, 13:43, Oliver B. Fischer <
> > >>> [email protected]> wrote:
> > >>> > > Hi,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > this issue occured already multiple times on this list.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I prefer 2b but I would return a set or collection. Sorting is not
> > >>> > important as it can be done easily later.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > But I think the method to access all values must be able to perform
> > type
> > >>> > conversion as
> > >>> >
> > >>> >   get(String key, PropertyConverter<T> converter)
> > >>> >
> > >>> > method.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > My prefered signature looks like this
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Collection<T> getAll(String key, ProperyConverter<T> converter)
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > WDYT?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Bye
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Oliver
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Am 17.01.15 um 19:51 schrieb Anatole Tresch:
> > >>> >>  My views are 1b.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>  I am not sure that we can model all aspects with 2b1, so 2a might
> > also
> > >>> be a
> > >>> >>  way out, because it would allow us to model the feature as an
> > optional
> > >>> >>  module.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>  Here is way:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>  Mapping of lists, arrays work fine with 2b1. Sets may work as
> well,
> > >>> whereas
> > >>> >>  maps dont really fit.
> > >>> >>  On top i ask how overriding should work (this question is raising
> > for
> > >>> both
> > >>> >>  2b1 and 2a. With 2a we have a clear rule, though it might not
> match
> > >>> all use
> > >>> >>  cases, eg collecting all items configured).
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>  Given that imo its arguable if a simple additional array accessor
> > is
> > >>> >>  sufficient...
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>  All these additional aspects are the ones why Looking for
> modelling
> > >>> >>  collections based on simple key/value pairs might be not a bad
> > >>> solution.
> > >>> >>  Collections may be mapped to multiple key/value pairs, resolved
> by
> > >>> filters.
> > >>> >>  We can even add collection accessors of any complexity as
> queries,
> > >>> being
> > >>> >>  much more flexible than trying to model / reduce everything to a
> > simple
> > >>> >>  array/list...
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>  Other thaughts...?
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>  Anatole
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>  Romain Manni-Bucau <[email protected]> schrieb am Sa., 17.
> > Jan.
> > >>> > 2015 um
> > >>> >>  13:25:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>>  1a and same support as xbean ie you ask and converters do what
> > they
> > >>> can
> > >>> > or
> > >>> >>>  fail
> > >>> >>>  Le 17 janv. 2015 12:56, "Werner Keil"
> > >>> > <[email protected]> a écrit :
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>>  Well, I remember a JSR (not sure which one any more) that
> changed
> > >>> > such
> > >>> >>>>  return value or argument from List to Collection to be more
> > >>> > versatile.
> > >>> >>>>  If you have the restriction of unique values then better use a
> > Set.
> > >>> >>>  There's
> > >>> >>>>  also a SortedSet, so all can be sorted, but if you return them
> as
> > >>> > List
> > >>> >>>>  only, that excludes Set and vice versa. Returning as Collection
> > >>> > allowed
> > >>> >>>  to
> > >>> >>>>  treat them specifically to what they really are, if you return
> > just
> > >>> > one
> > >>> >>>  of
> > >>> >>>>  the subtypes, you restrict users from the other.
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>>  Werner
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>>  On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Mark Struberg
> > >>> > <[email protected]>
> > >>> >>>  wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>  The underlying question is whether sorting is important or
> not.
> > >>> >>>>>  I think it is, and thus I'd prefer a List.
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>  LieGrue,
> > >>> >>>>>  strub
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>  On Saturday, 17 January 2015, 12:35, Werner Keil <
> > >>> >>>>  [email protected]>
> > >>> >>>>>  wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>  About 3)
> > >>> >>>>>>  I would return a Collection which is the most common
> > >>> > foundation to
> > >>> >>>  both
> > >>> >>>>>>  List and Set. Unless there was a special requirement
> > >>> > somewhere like
> > >>> >>>  "no
> > >>> >>>>>>  duplicates" that's where a Set would be better.
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>  And if Tamaya supports collections I am not biased towards
> > >>> > arrays,
> > >>> >>>>  since
> > >>> >>>>>  in
> > >>> >>>>>>  most cases you can use both in a very similar way now, e.g.
> > >>> > loop over
> > >>> >>>>>  them.
> > >>> >>>>>>  Werner
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>  On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Mark Struberg
> > >>> > <[email protected]>
> > >>> >>>>>  wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>    Hi!
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>    1.) Do we like to support arrays at all?
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>    1.a.) yes, in any case. They are really needed.
> > >>> >>>>>>>    1.b.) yes, if we can do easily. They are nice to
> > >>> > have. But only if
> > >>> >>>>>  easily
> > >>> >>>>>>>    doable.
> > >>> >>>>>>>    1.c.) Nope, we don't need it. A user can easily
> > >>> > add this himself by
> > >>> >>>>>>>    String.split, etc
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>    I'd prefer 1.b.)
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>    How to support arrays. Do we like to
> > >>> >>>>>>>    2.a.) map them to String representation or do we like
> > >>> > to
> > >>> >>>>>>>    2.b.) have a String[] getArray(String key) in our
> > >>> > PropertySource.
> > >>> >>>  In
> > >>> >>>>>  that
> > >>> >>>>>>>    case
> > >>> >>>>>>>    2.b.1.) do we like to have String[] getArray(key) in
> > >>> > addition to
> > >>> >>>>  String
> > >>> >>>>>>>    get(key) or
> > >>> >>>>>>>    2.b.2.) only have String[] get(key) and only return a
> > >>> > single value
> > >>> >>>  in
> > >>> >>>>>  it
> > >>> >>>>>>>    for a get(key) call?
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>    I personally like 2.b.1 the most, but not 100% sure
> > >>> > yet.
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>    3.) What type should we return at all?
> > >>> >>>>>>>    3.a.) Should we return []
> > >>> >>>>>>>    3.b.) or List?
> > >>> >>>>>>>    3.c.) Or even a Set?
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>    I'd prefer 3.a or 3.b as the order sometimes is
> > >>> > important. We could
> > >>> >>>>>>  also
> > >>> >>>>>>>    think about enhancing the Filter to allow re-sorting
> > >>> > those values
> > >>> >>>  if
> > >>> >>>>>>  needed.
> > >>> >>>>>>>    We also have to think about at which point we apply
> > >>> > the
> > >>> >>>>>  PropertyAdapter.
> > >>> >>>>>>>    I'd also love to have something like getArray (or
> > >>> > getList if we
> > >>> >>>>  decide
> > >>> >>>>>>  on
> > >>> >>>>>>>    that)
> > >>> >>>>>>>    <T> T[] getArray(String key), Class<T>
> > >>> > targetType);
> > >>> >>>>>>>    Where each value in the String[] gets converted with
> > >>> > the
> > >>> >>>>>  PropertyAdapters
> > >>> >>>>>>>    already inside Tamaya.
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>    Any thoughts?
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>    LieGrue,
> > >>> >>>>>>>    strub
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >
> > >>> > --
> > >>> > N Oliver B. Fischer
> > >>> > A Schönhauser Allee 64, 10437 Berlin, Deutschland/Germany
> > >>> > P +49 30 44793251
> > >>> > M +49 178 7903538
> > >>> > E [email protected]
> > >>> > S oliver.b.fischer
> > >>> >
> > >>> > J [email protected]
> > >>> > X http://xing.to/obf
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
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