Ahhhhh!  Somebody finally said something about migrating from T3 -> T5.

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From: Jesse Kuhnert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:54 PM
To: Tapestry development
Subject: was Re: Tapestry 5 Discussions

I think your points are completely valid as well Danny. Perhaps my first
reaction to your original posting was more of an emotional response than
rational.

Honestly speaking - even though I didn't start out with the intention -
Tapestry has sort of become a business for me as well. (and obviously
Howard) If something is going to drive away a lot of users, or create the
impression that Tapestry isn't "business friendly" then it's probably going
to ultimately hurt me as well. So, from that perspective it is a very real
concern.

Perhaps my original suggestion of creating a T4 > T5 upgrade library isn't
what is needed so much as a T3 > T5 upgrade? I'm very begrudgingly willing
to develop "a" library to do something like this, it will make a lot of
users happy and give me a chance to play with/understand as much of T5 as
will be necessary if I ever hope to make a contribution to it.

I'm just not understanding if the community is worried about upgrading or
learning new ways of doing things? If it is the learning aspect of things I
think we can clear it up with some more discussion. From what little I know
of the current/future T5 design goals it should be the same basic idea of
having a component framework, just with much less code writing work on users
shoulders. (among many other things).

What is it going to take to make the Tapestry user/developer community
happy? I'm probably going to continue to fight and try to justify T5's
design as the best choice to bring Tapestry into the future, but if it's
just upgrade worries then I think we might have something to work with.

On 7/31/06, Danny Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jesse,
>
> You make your points well, I'd like to re-enforce this one if I may...
>
> > Once you figure out how everything works of course everyone generally
> loves
> > it, but that's still an issue.
>
> Its a huge issue and a big bar to upgrade. It completely undermines
> Tapestry's advantage of having been first to market, because we face that
> "new framework" cost *again* and many commercial users will surely be
> considering whether spending *again* on Tapestry is a more mature decision
> that spending to adopt a more mainstream framework, like JSF, which is
> supported by people who understand the commercial impact of changing the
> framework.
>
> As a user I would have hoped that Tapestry would be settled into an
> evolutionary development rather than a revolutionary one, by now. I'm
> looking for increasing stability and maturity with time from any framework
> we use, not a continual revolution which leaves me sweating about cost,
> the
> availability of skills and the risk of moving from a known to an unknown
> codebase.
>
>
> d.
>
>
>
>
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Jesse Kuhnert
Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer

Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.



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