I don't really have an opinion on this. The current bubbles never bothered me, 
in fact I found them
quite neat. But I can completely understand if others don't feel the same and 
in that case I agree
that they are hard to override. So something more easily overridable would 
indeed be nice. I would
like to see the new decoration not that minimalistic though. Something 
appealing should be working
out of the box.

Uli

On 11.03.2011 22:30, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> I'd like to propose removing the pop-up validation bubbles as part of
> JavaScript restructuring in 5.3.
> 
> Rationale:
> 
> - They can be clumsy, especially near the edges of the page
> - There's a lot of bookkeeping involved in tracking fields with focus,
> to trigger the right fade in/fade out animations
> - They are really very difficult to override and customize
> - Most people hate them and find them garish
> - On a form submission, they can really obscure the page (for a moment)
> 
> I'd suggest, instead, something a little more basic.
> 
> Fields would be decorated with additional spans (this would be a
> function of the ValidationDecorator I think, but possible all done on
> the client side).
> 
> <span class="t-field-container">
>       <input type="text" .../>
>       <span class="t-field-icon"/>
>       <div class="t-field-message"/>
>     </span>
> 
> When a client-side validation error occurs, the div.t-field-message
> could be modified in place, adding the error message and perhaps
> making it visible. The details are in flux in my mind, but I kind of
> see adding a CSS class name to span.t-field-container that would
> trigger rules about how to draw it.  I.e., if t-error, then draw in
> red, and so forth.  span.t-field-icon is used to display an error
> icon, or perhaps an ajax "throbber".  In either case, this could be
> done with modern CSS, using display:inline-block and background
> properties.
> 
> The end result would be that the message would appear underneath the
> field.  Further, clients could easily customize the L&F with just CSS
> rules.
> 
> A bunch of variations occur to me; perhaps the ValidationDecorator
> just puts the span.t-field-container in place, and the client-side JS
> provides the rest, to optimize the amount of content sent over HTTP.
> Perhaps the ValidationDecorator looks for meta-data to decide whether
> t-field-message appears above or below.  With modern CSS, there's less
> of a need to add additional levels of <divs> to create rounded corners
> and nibs and the like.
> 
> I also haven't fully thought through what needs to happen with the
> Label; it would be nice to wrap the Label with a similar span, and
> perhaps put error icons on the label as well as the field.
> 

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