Hello,

Yes. It should develop on its own.

Marko.

http://markorodriguez.com



> On Aug 15, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Daniel Kuppitz <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I share all your concerns. I'd rather like to see it develop as a separate
> project.
> 
> Furthermore, I don't know the author, but his GitHub contribution activity
> information suggests that he's not going to maintain the code.
> 
> Cheers,
> Daniel
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 5:33 AM, Stephen Mallette <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Some of you may have noticed this PR:
>> 
>> https://github.com/apache/tinkerpop/pull/693
>> 
>> It is for an object graph mapper. It is fairly large and, at a glance, a
>> nicely developed body of work (docs, tests, javadoc, etc). As the author
>> didn't bring this up on the dev list before issuing the PR, I'm unsure of
>> their intentions, but I assume they would like gremlin-objects to be the
>> standard OGM for TinkerPop.
>> 
>> Without drilling too deeply, my immediate concerns with accepting this into
>> the code base:
>> 
>> 1. It promotes use of a method of development that seems in competition to
>> the Traversal API rather than one that complements it. For example, it adds
>> a new Query object and uses Structure API semantics. It also adds new
>> interfaces for providers to implement if they want to support this feature.
>> 2. I'm not clear on how well this approach would support remote traversals
>> especially since we discourage Elements from being returned with
>> properties.
>> 3. The author admitted that this is a Java only solution. Given the size
>> and complexity of this PR I'd be concerned about trying to implement it
>> across languages. Our general design goal has been to keep GLVs simple.
>> Recall again - elements in GLVs don't hold properties at all - it's not
>> even an option.
>> 4.I tend to see DSLs and OGMs linked a bit in terms of what they do. DSLs
>> are new - just one version old. I'd like to seem them develop a bit longer
>> and get some feedback on usage to see how they address users problems for
>> writing Gremlin in their domains.
>> 5. If we accept this, we are saying that this approach to OGM (and there
>> have been a number of them, Ferma, Peapod, Frames, etc.) is the "right" way
>> and as of right now I'm not sure I'm willing to get behind that. I tend to
>> think there are many ways to OGM and that different people will like
>> different ways - this is largely the reason why we tend not to focus our
>> development in this area.
>> 
>> I think I'd like to see gremlin-objects develop on its own for a while
>> separately, build its own community following, and work out whatever rough
>> edges it may have. TinkerPop would add it to the tool listing on the home
>> page and promote it as an option for those looking for an OGM. We've had
>> this recommendation before to other pull requests and project suggestions
>> and I think it tends to work out well for all parties.
>> 
>> For those reading this not familiar with our processes, this is just my
>> opinion on how we should move forward. Others may not feel this way. Please
>> feel free to share your thoughts.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Stephen
>> 

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