That was my conclusion as well, I didn't see a way to make it non-breaking.
Maybe 3.4.0 should just have a special serializer for VertexProperties..?


On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:00 AM Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> If i'm thinking about this right....I guess Gryo used the default Kryo
> serialization for 1.0 and 3.0 so  by changing that we effectively break
> both version of Gryo in 3.4.0. And that would mean that you couldn't
> connect to older versions of the Java driver to 3.4.0 systems - you would
> have to upgrade. Is that the correct conclusion?
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:28 AM Daniel Kuppitz <m...@gremlin.guru> wrote:
>
> > I actually opened a PR <https://github.com/apache/tinkerpop/pull/993>
> > (makes it easier to look at the changes). Removing transient didn't quite
> > do the job, so I overwrote the (de)serialization methods and only kept
> the
> > parent element id. The only thing that's broken now is the serialization
> > test suite.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 4:59 AM Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think we can remove the transient keyword. Doesn't that balloon
> > the
> > > amount of data shuffled around the network? I think that was the reason
> > we
> > > made that transient in the first place.
> > >
> > > What parts of the test suite are failing because of this? Could you
> post
> > > links to a couple of examples of failing assertions?
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 2:01 PM Daniel Kuppitz <m...@gremlin.guru>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Removing the transient attribute from the DetachedVertexProperty's
> > vertex
> > > > field [1] makes all Spark tests pass. Easy peasy, but holy cow, that
> > > little
> > > > change probably has a huge impact on things I can't even think of
> right
> > > > now.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/tinkerpop/blob/master/gremlin-core/src/main/java/org/apache/tinkerpop/gremlin/structure/util/detached/DetachedVertexProperty.java#L40
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Daniel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 11:49 AM Daniel Kuppitz <m...@gremlin.guru>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Treating null parents as a wildcard makes the majority of tests
> just
> > > > pass,
> > > > > but Spark integration tests fail. Spark is all about detached
> > elements
> > > > (or
> > > > > reference elements) and I guess there's no way to make those tests
> > pass
> > > > > without making detached properties remember their parent elements
> (or
> > > at
> > > > > least just their parent element ids).
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Daniel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 4:53 AM Stephen Mallette <
> > spmalle...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> If we can, I think that we should just keep derser semantics as
> they
> > > > are.
> > > > >> We've gone this long with them having null parent element ids and
> > > there
> > > > >> haven't been any raised complains that I'm aware of.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I thought about skipping the parent id comparison in case one of
> > the
> > > > >> elements parents is *null*
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I suppose the question we need to answer stated directly is: What
> do
> > > we
> > > > >> want equals() to mean for "detached" properties? Maybe it's not
> > wrong
> > > to
> > > > >> consider "detached" properties without a parent to have a form of
> > > > wildcard
> > > > >> status. If you were to "attach" such a property then its id space
> > > would
> > > > be
> > > > >> restricted to the element you're adding it to, so it seems safe in
> > > that
> > > > >> respect. In the "tree test" that's failing that you referenced,
> the
> > > > >> deserialized tree is a wildcard match for the original tree...the
> > idea
> > > > >> sorta works in that capacity, but perhaps there are other
> scenarios
> > > > where
> > > > >> that's a really bad thing?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Does a "null" parent element mean "detached"? I guess the answer
> is
> > > > >> "sometimes" because in some cases "detached" keeps the parent
> > element.
> > > > Are
> > > > >> there other scenarios though where the parent element can be
> null? I
> > > > can't
> > > > >> really think of any right now.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 12:48 PM Daniel Kuppitz <m...@gremlin.guru>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Working on TINKERPOP-2051
> > > > >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TINKERPOP-2051>, I
> > thought I
> > > > >> found
> > > > >> > a
> > > > >> > pretty easy solution: In order to allow locally unique property
> > ids,
> > > > we
> > > > >> > only need to compare the ids of two properties as well as the
> ids
> > of
> > > > >> their
> > > > >> > parent elements. That was basically a one-line change and had
> the
> > > > >> expected
> > > > >> > effect:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > gremlin> g = TinkerGraph.open().traversal()
> > > > >> > ==>graphtraversalsource[tinkergraph[vertices:0 edges:0],
> standard]
> > > > >> > gremlin> g.addV("person").property("name", "alice", id,
> > > > "name").as("a").
> > > > >> > ......1>   addV("person").property("name", "bob", id, "name").
> > > > >> > ......2>   addE("knows").from("a")
> > > > >> > ==>e[2][0-knows->1]
> > > > >> > gremlin>
> > > > >> > gremlin> g.V().properties("name")
> > > > >> > ==>vp[name->alice]
> > > > >> > ==>vp[name->bob]
> > > > >> > gremlin> g.V().properties("name").dedup()
> > > > >> > ==>vp[name->alice]
> > > > >> > ==>vp[name->bob]
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Without the change in id comparison, the last statement would
> have
> > > > only
> > > > >> > returned 1 of the properties. Looked easy enough, but - of
> course
> > -
> > > it
> > > > >> > broke the test suite. This change had an impact on 2 types of
> > tests:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >    - those, that deal with serialization and deserialization
> > > > >> >    - those, that make use of bytecode
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Perhaps the latter can be seen as a more specific case of the
> > > former.
> > > > >> The
> > > > >> > problem is that serialized/deserialized/detached properties no
> > > longer
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> > a reference to their former parent element. I thought about
> > skipping
> > > > the
> > > > >> > parent id comparison in case one of the elements parents is
> > *null*,
> > > > but
> > > > >> at
> > > > >> > some point that just felt wrong and made me think of all kind of
> > > > horror
> > > > >> > scenarios this could/would lead to.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > So my question is, what would be the smartest way to handle
> that?
> > > > Adjust
> > > > >> > all test cases, so they no longer rely on full equality? Fix
> > > > >> > (de)serialization to include parent element ids? Something else?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > *Example of a failing test:*
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > [ERROR]   SerializationTest$GryoV1d0Test.shouldSerializeTree:254
> > The
> > > > >> > objects differ
> > > > >> > expected:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> org.apache.tinkerpop.gremlin.process.traversal.step.util.Tree<{v[1]={v[2]={vp[name->vadas]={}},
> > > > >> > v[3]={vp[name->lop]={}}, v[4]={vp[name->josh]={}}}}>
> > > > >> > but was:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> org.apache.tinkerpop.gremlin.process.traversal.step.util.Tree<{v[1]={v[2]={vp[name->vadas]={}},
> > > > >> > v[3]={vp[name->lop]={}}, v[4]={vp[name->josh]={}}}}>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Crazy thought: We could just change the tests to compare the
> > > > toString()
> > > > >> > versions of results....
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Cheers,
> > > > >> > Daniel
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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