If there are specific points in the Apache Way where TinkerPop is failing, let's get those listed out publicly on the dev list. That is step #1 in order to get them addressed. I'd also want to learn more about how the mentors have been teaching and leading the process since January. I wish such a provocative post would have had more context around it from the mentor perspective.
I was fortunate enough to have a chance to meet with almost all of the TinkerPop committers (and many Cassandra committers) last week at the Cassandra Summit. I asked how they felt about being in Apache, and other than the long delays on voting, they seemed pretty excited to be on board. On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Matthias Broecheler <m...@matthiasb.com> wrote: > +1 > Not being intimately involved with the Apache foundation and its processes, > this conclusion comes out of the blue for me and it would be hugely > valuable to understand the reasoning behind it. > Being a consumer of Tinkerpop and not a committer, I have been quite > impressed with the rapid rate of innovation that the project exhibited > while growing the community. > > Thanks, > Matthias > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015, 11:42 AM Matt Frantz <matthew.h.fra...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > As Dylan suggests, I'd appreciate more details on "the Apache Way" and > why, > > specifically, TinkerPop has not aligned thus far. This is my first > > experience at incubation, so any examples of successful incubations and > how > > they differ from TinkerPop would seem to be relevant. > > > > Regards, > > Matt > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Dylan Millikin <dylan.milli...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > I know there was a very long discussion around this posted a while back > > but > > > maybe it would be good to break that down here for those of us that > > haven't > > > had the time to go through the entire thing (e.g. why you reached that > > > conclusion). > > > > > > This would certainly make the dialogue easier. > > > > > > Best, > > > Dylan. > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Oct 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "David Nalley" <da...@gnsa.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > > > A number of the mentors (Daniel, Rich, and I), along with several > > > > > other IPMC members were in Budapest for ApacheCon; while there we > > > > > discussed the state of > > > > > Tinkerpop, it's incubation, and a number of other topics. I wanted > to > > > > > bring one of those topics here to foster a larger discussion, and > > > > > perhaps for the community to decide on a way forward. > > > > > > > > > > After a lot of deliberation and thinking both together and > > > > > individually, I think we reached an inflection point for ourselves. > > > > > While I don't want to speak for the others, > > > > > I will state my opinion. I think it's become apparent that > Tinkerpop > > > > > as a project and a community is not a fit for the Apache Software > > > > > Foundation, and I see little potential for that to change. > > > > > This is not a statement that Tinkerpop is bad or evil. The ASF > isn't > > > > > the only place projects live to be successful, nor is the Apache > Way > > > > > the only method that successful projects adopt. > > > > > > > > > > That said, the ASF cares deeply about it's existing culture and > that > > > > > the communities that are here adopt "the Apache Way"; that's > actually > > > > > a core tenant to accomplish during incubation. That leads > > > > > me (speaking only for myself) to believe that you would thrive > better > > > > > elsewhere, rather than chafing and being unhappy, and eventually > > > > > failing to graduate. > > > > > > > > > > --David > > > > > > > > David expresses this as just his own opinion, but we did discuss and > > > draft > > > > this together. I want to reiterate that we think you have an amazing > > > > project and a great community, but that the fit doesn't seem to be > > there. > > > > > > > > > > -- Have a good one, Jason
