Yeah. It should be deprecated in 4.0 and probably removed in 5.0.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:51 PM Dave Neuman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I am fine with that for the 4.0 release
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:35 ocket 8888 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Well, with that decided, this endpoint replicates all the functionality
> > provided by `/user/current/jobs`, so can I mark that as deprecated in the
> > docs?
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:16 AM ocket 8888 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > That works for me, I'll make the necessary changes.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:08 AM Dave Neuman <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Good summary Jeremy.
> > >> I agree with Rawlin, I think it is reasonable to allow jobs to be
> > changed
> > >> up until they are active (using PUT) and also allow them to be DELETED
> > at
> > >> any time.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 9:28 AM Rawlin Peters <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I think you summed that up pretty well, Jeremy. @ocket8888 did bring
> > >> > up a good point about the fact that you can submit a job without it
> > >> > becoming active right away, so in theory you could be able to update a
> > >> > revalidation before it actually becomes active. Maybe we should allow
> > >> > PUT only when the job is "active", but you can DELETE a job at any
> > >> > time. I do like the idea of the UI warning about deleting a job that
> > >> > has already been activated, but the PUT of an "active" job should be
> > >> > prohibited by the API _and_ UI IMO.
> > >> >
> > >> > - Rawlin
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 8:20 AM Jeremy Mitchell <[email protected]
> > >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > My understanding (and someone better versed in ATS please correct me
> > >> if
> > >> > i'm
> > >> > > wrong) is that when you create a "invalidate/revalidate job" for a
> > >> > delivery
> > >> > > service, the following things happen:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 1. the job is inserted into the job table. duh.
> > >> > > 2. the reval_pending flag on ALL servers that belong to the delivery
> > >> > > service's CDN is set to true (seems like overkill tbh when a
> > delivery
> > >> > > service may only be assigned to a subset of a cdn's servers but
> > that's
> > >> > > another discussion)
> > >> > > 3. every minute, a cache will check if their reval_pending flag =
> > >> true,
> > >> > if
> > >> > > so that cache will pull a new regex_revalidate.config file that will
> > >> > > contain all the jobs for the cache's cdn where TTL < now
> > >> > >
> > >> > > now a new "rule" exists in the regex_revalidate.config to represent
> > >> that
> > >> > > new job:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > http://my.origin.com/foo.png 1567346310 <-- september 1 (one month
> > >> from
> > >> > now)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > when a request comes in to the cache for foo.png, ATS consults
> > >> > > regex_revalidate.config and notices the rule and therefore,
> > >> revalidates
> > >> > the
> > >> > > content (ignores what's in cache and goes back upstream). This is
> > the
> > >> > only
> > >> > > time ATS will do this. It will only exercise this rule ONCE. foo.png
> > >> is
> > >> > now
> > >> > > cacheable again going forward.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Now imagine this delivery services is assigned to 50 caches across
> > the
> > >> > > country and this is a very active delivery service. Within 10
> > >> minutes, a
> > >> > > request for foo.png has come in to each of the 50 caches and the new
> > >> > > regex_revalidate rule has been exercised on each cache. So basically
> > >> that
> > >> > > rule is "done". it has done the job it was intended to do.
> > >> > Editing/deleting
> > >> > > this job will not change what's already been done.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > However, because of the TTL that was set on the job, the following
> > >> rule
> > >> > > will remain in regex_revalidate.config for a month
> > >> > >
> > >> > > http://my.origin.com/foo.png 1567346310 <-- september 1 (one month
> > >> from
> > >> > now)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > and ATS still needs to consult the rule to determine if it has been
> > >> > > exercised or not. So there is some processing that needs to be done
> > >> even
> > >> > on
> > >> > > a rule that is already done. I think I heard that when
> > >> regex_revalidate
> > >> > > gets really long, it can cause performance issues.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Long story short. Does providing edit/delete of a job potentially
> > >> provide
> > >> > > false hope to the user? But like you, I can see value in both. Edit
> > >> would
> > >> > > be great if you screw it up and notice right away. Delete would be
> > >> great
> > >> > > for those jobs we know are done but have this huge TTL on them that
> > is
> > >> > > sucking up ATS performance unnecessarily.  I know, I'm overthinking
> > >> this.
> > >> > > If others are good with edit/delete of jobs, I'm good. Maybe on
> > >> > > edit/delete, the UI just needs some sort of warning "you realize you
> > >> are
> > >> > > editing/deleting a job that may have already been processed.
> > >> continue?"
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Jeremy
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 7:38 AM ocket 8888 <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Do jobs not run constantly for their TTL? I guess I just assumed
> > >> that a
> > >> > > > revalidation would remain active until it's over, meaning that
> > >> matching
> > >> > > > content can't be cached in that duration. But I suppose that would
> > >> be
> > >> > > > unnecessary if content had just changed and wasn't constantly in
> > >> that
> > >> > > > window.
> > >> > > > Still, though, that should just change what can be fixed in that
> > >> > window.
> > >> > > > You can't change the fact that cache servers might unnecessarily
> > do
> > >> a
> > >> > lot
> > >> > > > of work to revalidate content that hasn't changed, but if you
> > >> forget to
> > >> > > > e.g. make the TTL the same length as the Cache-Control-Max-Age
> > >> header
> > >> > then
> > >> > > > you can still fix it.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I'll take out the PATCH method immediately since there seems to be
> > >> > > > consensus that it's not a good idea at the moment, but I'd still
> > >> like
> > >> > to
> > >> > > > wait a bit to see if anyone else wants to chime in on PUT, since
> > I'm
> > >> > still
> > >> > > > convinced editing jobs could be useful.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 10:49 AM Jeremy Mitchell <
> > >> > [email protected]>
> > >> > > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > > the most common runtime for a job is 178 hours, and the vast
> > >> > majority
> > >> > > > are
> > >> > > > > at least 48. You effectively have the entire runtime of a job to
> > >> > "fix" it
> > >> > > > > if need be
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > i believe it is common practice to set the TTL (runtime) of the
> > >> > > > invalidate
> > >> > > > > job to line up with the cache control max age value. that way
> > they
> > >> > can
> > >> > > > > guarantee that the content is either revalidated OR expires from
> > >> > cache.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > however, in practice, if the delivery service is very active
> > >> (lots of
> > >> > > > > requests), the content could be revalidated in minutes? across
> > the
> > >> > whole
> > >> > > > > cdn so i don't think its true that you "effectively have the
> > >> entire
> > >> > > > runtime
> > >> > > > > of a job to "fix" it if need be"
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > i think that's why we've never had edit/delete because once the
> > >> job
> > >> > is
> > >> > > > > created and deployed to the cache (used to be every 15 minutes
> > but
> > >> > now is
> > >> > > > > every 1 minute), the job is out there running. not saying i
> > don't
> > >> > agree
> > >> > > > > with the ability or the need to edit/delete. i'm just saying
> > it's
> > >> > tricky.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 10:33 AM ocket8888 <[email protected]
> > >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I should also mention that in both PUT and PATCH, the only
> > >> mutable
> > >> > > > parts
> > >> > > > > > of a job are the regular expression, the TTL and the start
> > time.
> > >> > Which
> > >> > > > > > is another point I should make regarding 'you only have 60
> > >> seconds
> > >> > to
> > >> > > > > > edit/delete a job', because actually the start time must be in
> > >> the
> > >> > > > > > future, and could be set up to (but using the
> > user/current/jobs
> > >> > > > > > endpoint, no more than) two days in advance.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > On 7/31/19 10:12 AM, Chris Lemmons wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > While I see the value in PATCH, Rawlin is spot on: we need
> > >> > defined
> > >> > > > > > > behaviour around null and missing fields in the patches.
> > (One
> > >> > > > > > > alternative: jsonpatch. It's more verbose, but clearly
> > defines
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > > > edge cases.)
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > PATCH is also very dangerous unless you support If-Match,
> > >> which
> > >> > we
> > >> > > > > > > don't. But that's a problem we should also fix everywhere.
> > >> It's
> > >> > not
> > >> > > > > > > unique to this endpoint.
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 4:49 PM Rawlin Peters <
> > >> > > > [email protected]
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > >> In my opinion, introducing PATCH methods seems like
> > >> unnecessary
> > >> > > > > > >> complexity. We don't really have a good way in TO-Go to
> > >> support
> > >> > > > > > >> partial object updates in a holistic manner today, and
> > there
> > >> are
> > >> > > > some
> > >> > > > > > >> difficulties around determining which fields were actually
> > >> sent
> > >> > by a
> > >> > > > > > >> client with a null value (e.g. `"foo": null`) vs fields
> > that
> > >> > were
> > >> > > > > > >> entirely omitted by the client. It would also add to the
> > >> burden
> > >> > of
> > >> > > > > > >> testing and maintenance (when a simple PUT implementation
> > >> would
> > >> > > > > > >> suffice), and I don't think there's a great way for the TO
> > Go
> > >> > client
> > >> > > > > > >> to marshal a lib/go-tc struct into a PATCH request that
> > only
> > >> > > > contains
> > >> > > > > > >> the fields you'd like to update (sometimes with null/empty
> > >> > values).
> > >> > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > >> As for PUT, I think we could get by with a POST and a
> > DELETE
> > >> > > > without a
> > >> > > > > > >> PUT for this particular endpoint, but I'm not sure I really
> > >> feel
> > >> > > > > > >> strongly about that. Providing the ability to PUT kind of
> > >> > encourages
> > >> > > > > > >> the idea that you don't really have to get your
> > invalidations
> > >> > right
> > >> > > > > > >> the first time, or that you can just update an existing
> > >> > invalidation
> > >> > > > > > >> job to change the regex instead of creating a new
> > >> invalidation
> > >> > with
> > >> > > > a
> > >> > > > > > >> different regex (when really they should be created as
> > >> separate
> > >> > > > jobs).
> > >> > > > > > >> If you have a bad revalidation deployed, your first
> > priority
> > >> > should
> > >> > > > > > >> probably be to get rid of it as quickly as possible (via
> > >> DELETE)
> > >> > > > > > >> instead of trying to replace it with a different regex (via
> > >> > PUT). In
> > >> > > > > > >> that case, I'd think it would be advantageous to only
> > provide
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > > >> DELETE option instead of both DELETE and PUT. First delete
> > >> the
> > >> > bad
> > >> > > > > > >> invalidation ASAP, then work on a better regex.
> > >> > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > >> - Rawlin
> > >> > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > >> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 10:31 AM ocket8888 <
> > >> [email protected]
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > >>> I have had this PR open for a while:
> > >> > > > > > >>> https://github.com/apache/trafficcontrol/pull/3744
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>> I meant to bring this to the mailing list earlier, but I
> > >> > forgot :P
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>> The reason this merits discussion is that the PR adds
> > >> several
> > >> > > > method
> > >> > > > > > >>> handlers to the /jobs endpoint that didn't exist in Perl:
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>> - POST
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>>       lets users create new jobs directly at this
> > endpoint.
> > >> My
> > >> > hope
> > >> > > > > is
> > >> > > > > > >>> that the /user/current/jobs endpoint will fall into
> > disuse,
> > >> > and we
> > >> > > > > can
> > >> > > > > > >>> consolidate some functionality in one place. Obviously,
> > this
> > >> > > > > > >>> necessitates a CDN-wide queue of reval updates.
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>> - PUT
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>>       allows jobs to be replaced. This queues reval
> > updates
> > >> > > > CDN-wide.
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>> - PATCH
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>>       allows jobs to be edited. This also queues reval
> > >> updates
> > >> > > > > CDN-wide
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>> - DELETE
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>>       deletes jobs. This, too, queues reval updates
> > CDN-wide
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>> Which I think is a good idea. Without any way to mutate
> > >> created
> > >> > > > > jobs, a
> > >> > > > > > >>> typo can have dire consequences that can't be taken back.
> > >> But
> > >> > since
> > >> > > > > > >>> POST->DELETE->POST is really just editing with more
> > steps, a
> > >> > > > > PUT/PATCH
> > >> > > > > > >>> seemed to make sense.
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > >>> thoughts?
> > >> > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >

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