Hi Hans, all, Diversity can come from any angle: company affiliation, software developers vs consultants/promotors etc.
I suggest to take a look beyond the box and assess everyone participating regarding their potential. Yes, solicitation contributors from other ASF projects is a potential solutions. Especially when there is an opportunity for pollination. Expanding the adopter base and expanding the contributor base (leading to more diversity in the subset of privileged contributors) seems to be a chicken-egg situation. Adopter won't buy when the product (and the project) doesn't gather much street creds. And the project won't get more contributors when the adopter base isn't big enough. More promotion from the project to potential adopters through all kinds of media (social, event, etc) is key to building the reputation of the product and project! I suggest getting more people to have access to the tweet medium is a start. Yes, the upcoming ApacheCon EU in Seville, Spain is an opportunity to reach out to contributors of other projects of the ASF. I didn't check last 2 events (EU 2015 in Budapest where Rohit did a (few) presentation(s) and US 2016 in Montreal) whether that generated some buy-in. Maybe someone knows more about this. Re: other podlings graduating with less diversity That (an)other podling(s) has/have succeeded in graduating with less diversity isn't a guarantee. Public opinion can shift, so can the opinion of IPMC members. Yet, if we feel confident that we can succeed with what we have now (diversity wise) and we are confident that we can convince the IPMC we should go for it. But, before embarking on that voyage I would like to see a buy-in from our mentors. I trust the above will help. Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Hans Zeller <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Pierre, thank you for bringing this up. I agree that we need to consider > new things to do to increase our diversity. You are familiar with the > Apache community, do you have any observations or suggestions? > > When I look at the just-graduated Apache Kudu, I see that it also lacks > diversity, but that it is better connected to other Apache projects. Many > of the Kudu committers are also committers for Hadoop, HBase and other > projects. Maybe we should try to be more active elsewhere, for example in > HBase? > > Another direction is to expand the user community and to get users to > contribute, even if it's only in small ways. > > A third one could be to be more active at conferences and events, > especially those organized by ASF or other open source organizations. > > Thanks again, > > Hans > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Pierre Smits <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > HI Ming, > > > > Having confirmation of the contributor regarding his/her intent to do > more > > (through confirmation of the iCLA accepted by the Secretary of the ASF) > is > > enough to get the person listed in the > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors. > > > > As you can learn form the overview IDs regarding Confluence and JIRA need > > to be known to grant the applicant the correct permissions in the 2 tools > > in use. > > > > So, having done code commits (which requires acceptance by the > contributor > > of the invitation to become a committer from the PPMC, and an Apache ID), > > or not having done Confluence updates, etc. is *not* a requirement to be > > listed/accepted as a contributor who wants to do more. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> > > OFBiz based solutions & services > > > > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace > > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > New contributor need time to get started, Trafodion is a very complex > > > system software. > > > So it will be helpful to have some JIRAs that are simple enough for > > > beginners to work on. Documentation is also a very good starting point. > > > > > > I notice the JIRA can has label as 'newbie', I just create JIRA 2133 as > > an > > > example. It will be something simple enough for new contributor to get > > > started I hope. > > > > > > I know some people not from current contribution groups already singed > > the > > > iCLA document and want to contribute to Trafodion. So I assume once > they > > > deliver code commit or wiki update, they will be considered as > > > 'contributor' ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ming > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Pierre Smits [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 3:40 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Working towards graduation > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > With 2 releases out since the start under the flag of ASF Incubation, > we > > > are on the right track building our experience regarding release > > management > > > in relation to compliance to the ASF rules and guidelines. > > > > > > I suggest we now - while not forgetting to work on improving our code > > base > > > for future releases - start working on the community aspect of the > > project. > > > According to > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors > (per > > > 27-07-2016) we have a healthy number of contributors. > > > > > > Yet diversity is a bit low. The subset of contributors with the PPMC > > flags > > > shows following affiliation: > > > > > > - Esgyn: 9 contributors > > > - Hewlett Packard: 3 contributors > > > > > > We need to work on getting more diversity in that subset. Otherwise - I > > > feel - the IPMC will have issues with our graduation. > > > > > > Any ideas how to achieve that diversity? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > > > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> > > > OFBiz based solutions & services > > > > > > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace > > > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > > > > > >
