Hi Craig We are on the same page. I mentioned testing and getting feedback from attendees in one of the other threads
https://s.apache.org/7FoV I agree about starting separate discussion threads as ideas and feedback might get lost here. Thanks Sharan On 2019/02/26 17:14:12, Craig Russell <[email protected]> wrote: > Maybe it's worth a separate thread but I think that student/audience feedback > is an important part of training and the project should seriously consider > some formal feedback mechanism. > > For presenter purposes, I would like to have us generate general and specific > feedback. > > General: how did you like the presentation? How were the presenter's skills? > Did you get what you expected from the presentation? > > Specific: Do you have a good understanding of how the Apache Incubator works? > > Then there are topic-specific quizzes/tests. These probably should be > true/false and a/b/c/d questions/answers that could be printed with OCR > circles; and given as online using web technology. The quizzes might be for > the audience to check their own understanding, and might be for the presenter > to check their presentation skills in conveying the information. > > The tests might also be useful for BigCo to use in a certification > examination. BigCo could use the tests to evaluate students' understanding of > the material and if the student has a satisfactory score can earn "BigCo > Certification of Achievement for Apache Karaf". The exact phrasing of the > certification needs to be vetted with Apache Trademark/Brand but should be > similar to "BigCo distribution of Apache Karaf". > > Craig > > > On Feb 25, 2019, at 11:17 PM, Lars Francke <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > that helps. I assumed as much (hence we put it in the Proposal) but as you > > can see it's already been brought up again on the mailing list so I think > > it's worth it to get a link to a thread with the current stance and put it > > in a FAQ. > > > > Cheers, > > Lars > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 7:30 AM Craig Russell <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> Hi Lars, > >> > >>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Lars Francke <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I believe it'd be good to talk with Legal and/or Trademark early on to > >>>> get > >>>>> an opinion on a few things and then later put a prominent note on that > >> on > >>>>> our website. > >>>> > >>>> It reasonably straight forward I think, as long as 3rd parties respect > >> the > >>>> Apache license, brand and it’s trademarks all is good. For instance [2] > >>>> > >>>> There may need to be a discussion around how do we license non code > >> stuff > >>>> as the ALv2 was only written with software in mind. We also need to take > >>>> care including stuff that under other licenses, for instance a lot of > >>>> content is under creative common licenses and that may or may not be > >>>> compatible with the apache license. [1] > >>>> > >>> > >>> Good points. And I agree, the current rules probably cover most of it > >> but I > >>> believe it doesn't hurt to be proactive here and just talk about the > >> issues > >>> we foresee. And you raised one of them. > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>>> How exactly can we do that and especially how can we market it and > >> refer > >>>> to it? > >>>> > >>>> As long as there’s no confusion with users that the compony is > >>>> representing the ASF or the ASF project in question, again all is good. > >> [3] > >>>> > >>>>> Someone else talked about "certifications" in the VOTE thread. I put > >> them > >>>>> as "out of scope" in the Proposal but that doesn't mean it can't > >> change. > >>>> > >>>> This has come up a couple of of time at the board level and from memory > >>>> it's been something the ASF don’t want to do, that doesn’t mean we > >> can’t > >>>> bring it up again. > >>>> > >>> > >>> I assumed as much, hence I left it out in the proposal but since it was > >>> raised during VOTE I assume it'll come up again. So I'd raise this as > >> well. > >> > >> My understanding is the same as Justin's. The board is definitely not > >> interested in helping companies create "certified" stamps of approval for > >> training/courses. > >> > >> That said, I do not see anything wrong with the training project creating > >> as part of its offerings things to evaluate attendees' understanding of the > >> materials. In other words, tests. > >> > >> I don't recall tests being discussed here. > >> > >> Craig > >>> > >>> I see all of his as content for a FAQ page on our website. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Lars > >>> > >>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Justin > >>>> > >>>> 1. https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#cc-sa < > >> https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#cc-sa > >> <https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#cc-sa>> > >>>> 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#books > >>>> <https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#books> < > >> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#books > >> <https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#books>> > >>>> 3. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#notes > >>>> <https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#notes> < > >> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#notes > >> <https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#notes>> > >> Craig L Russell > >> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> http://db.apache.org/jdo > >> <http://db.apache.org/jdo> < > >> http://db.apache.org/jdo <http://db.apache.org/jdo>> > > Craig L Russell > Secretary, Apache Software Foundation > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://db.apache.org/jdo > <http://db.apache.org/jdo> >
