hi. Well i'm hot really sure if programming and develop is my issue. I apologize i have a lot of things in mind right now. I should think a bit more before answering that email. Sorry and thanks for your time in answering. Regards
El mié., 24 de abril de 2019 10:41, Alexandre Rafalovitch < [email protected]> escribió: > Thank you Sönke, > > Your blue sky is definitely more blue than anything I was imagining. I > do remember one of the publishers trying to do similar thing for > educational books (O'Reilly?), where one could pick individual > chapters from their full catalogue and then remix it into custom > print-on-demand book. But I could not find it again right now to see > what happened to that idea. I suspect the challenge for presentations > with that would be that most of them are custom-sequence rather than > lego-blocks assembly. This may be due to audience knowledge level, > speed of product change, presentation length, specific points to > cover, etc. > > However, it did spark a thought on something that could be a very > practical version of that. I am guessing the primary target audience > for the project are those that teach about Apache project and > secondary audience those who just want to discover the material. > > In that case, something like the following may be a significant step > towards your idea: > 1) A very easy way to discover existing training (again, yahoo-style > directory, custom-search-backed, highly Google/Bing visible, etc). > This would be sufficient for learners and would be the first step for > the trainers > 2) A strong encouragement for every directory entry to not just link > to the training, but to also have source materials. So, the video and > PDF, but also PPT or AsciiDoc source. Obviously, with the > reuse-oriented license. This implies that whoever uploads the sources > has the right to release them, which, in its own turn, may imply > having some workflows and incentives to push for that. I would say > linking to documents rather than hosting, at least as the first step. > Though perhaps Apache Committers could have a hosted space to > contribute their source versions. > 3) A set of open-license common resources (logos, templates, build > systems, documentation) on creating presentations that would be easy > to present AND to remix. I think this already exists (for logos, etc), > so again linking rather than reinventing as much as possible would be > the goal. > 4) Perhaps some sort of discovery system to identify the material out > there in the wild (e.g. conference videos) or a way to work directly > with conference organizers to be kept in the loop for when such > material becomes available. > > If this sounds good, there are implications on > resources/skills/approaches though. > > For the 1 above, a basic hand-crafted website is not sufficient, it > needs to be something built from CMS (though not necessarily CMS > served, could be something like https://www.gatsbyjs.org/). > > Similarly, for the 4 above, that's quite a technical project. So I am > not sure whether it would be in the scope here, however useful. > > Regards, > Alex. > P.s. For me specifically, I would be very happy to contribute all my > Solr presentation sources under whatever remix license is chosen. I > also have some more detailed thoughts on (1) and (4) above, though I > don't want to be the loudest voice in the room on this issue (due to > personal time issues, etc). > > > > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 10:19, Sönke Liebau > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > welcome to the list and thank you very much for your questions and input! > > We are still in the process of starting everything up and especially our > > website is not entirely up to speed yet, so let me try to answer your > > questions on here for now. > > > > Very short answer: a bit of 2, very much 3 & 4 > > > > Basically, the idea is to create a central repository for all sorts of > > training components, make this material searchable and provide tooling to > > compose material for training sessions out of the individual components. > > This will probably include but is in no way limited to "The Apache Way", > > Apache products, other open source products, ... > > > > So to give a concrete example of how I imagine/hope this will work is if > I > > am asked to give an introduction to full-text search and overview of open > > source components out there, then I can check our index (whatever form > > that'll have in the end), find stuff on "what is an inverted index", > > "introduction to Solr" and "Elasticsearch fundamentals", create a > metadata > > file referencing these materials from our repository and "compile" a > > finished presentation from these. With the added benefit of just > > recompiling this with updated content 2 years later, when I'm asked to > give > > the same talk again. > > > > I do realize that there are numerous issues still to solve around this > and > > that it will probably not work quite as nicely as I've made it sound, but > > one can dream.. > > > > I hope that answers your question, if not, please feel free to reach out > > and I will try again :) > > > > Best regards, > > Sönke > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 4:05 PM Alexandre Rafalovitch < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > My name is Alex and I am a committer to the Apache Lucene/Solr > > > project. My - self-selected - focus within the community is onboarding > > > of the new (Solr) users. This includes introductory training, improved > > > examples, compilation of non-obvious resources (I run > > > http://www.solr-start.com/), etc. I also try to point people at Solr > > > training/presentation/projects by other people as appropriate. > > > > > > So I was quite excited when I stumbled on this project. Anything that > > > simplifies the onboarding for those who train others is awesome. > > > > > > Yet, I am a little confused on the specific initial focus even after > > > reviewing the website and some of the threads. So, I thought I would > > > throw it here and see if the tree I am barking up is the right one. > > > > > > Is this project primarily about: > > > 1) Having the best "Introduce to the Apache Way" material - the > > > presentations/etc about the Apache itself? > > > 2) Having common templates for people teaching/presenting about > > > individual Apache Projects (e.g. Solr) to make it easier for them to > > > produce the material. So, similar to what ApacheCon gives to its > > > presenters but even better? > > > 3) Having a way to discover all the various trainings done by > > > different people about Apache projects? > > > 4) Allowing people to contribute their material to some central > > > repository under the license that allows reuse/remix? > > > 5) Something completely else? > > > > > > For (3) specifically, my blue sky idea was that it would be absolutely > > > fantastic to have an old-yahoo-style directory of all resources. At > > > least for Solr, Google has real trouble finding good content, even if > > > it is out there. Especially, if it is a video. I actually had a > > > preliminary go on this idea, but could not find any software to make > > > it easy and did not want to bikeshed to that level of depth (though > > > perhaps one day...). > > > > > > Regards, > > > Alex. > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sönke Liebau > > Partner > > Tel. +49 179 7940878 > > OpenCore GmbH & Co. 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