Hi Ryan, thanks for that ... I think your point 3 is a good one ... however we probably need to find ways to so something like that. Right now, the tooling is optimized for building instructor resources", being able to do stuff like "Presentation on one side and a coding playground on the other" requires quite a bit more work. However, if you're just talking about interactive presentations, that should be doable.
I strongly agree with your point 4 ... I mean ... the build in Jenkins already builds all presentations for every commit through the maven reactor. I also thought about automatically collecting all built presentations and deploying them to the website ... this should be doable and not too much work. I'd be happy to help with that as I have quite some experience in this sector. Would probably be adding some Groovy script that automatically compiles the index page for all available presentations. We might have to rename some things to follow some standard convention for this. But all should be quite simple to achieve. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Skraba <[email protected]> Sent: Freitag, 1. April 2022 12:31 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RELOADING] .... Hey Chris and Gautam (and all)! I should have said "Maybe a good area to help out WOULD be to brainstorm ways together" :D Some ideas: 1) We should prioritize accumulating content across projects so that we have a breadth of things for contributors to work on (incremental improvements to existing materials, translations, alternative presentations). 2) Or we should NOT prioritize across projects, but pick one as "the showcase" to demonstrate the value of the training repo to other Apache projects. 3) We might want to think about moving away from "instructor resources" to self-learning online resources. Quickstarts, learning trees, online quizzes? To be honest, the pandemic has changed the way I relate to instructor-led training. Finding ways to do *both* (instructor and self-learning) without doubling the effort to create these materials would be a huge (if difficult) win! 4) We might also want to improve hosting the existing presentations and materials directly on the training website. Seeing the presentations is 10x more motivating to a potential contributor. Merge to master? See it on training.apache.org! 5) Maybe define a process for approaching people who are doing "Intro to Apache Xxxx" and asking them if they'd be interested in donating? It would be difficult to enforce a SLA of course, but it would be neat to measure things like - When did we approach Xxx about donation? - If they accept, how long until a text-only draft was converted to our formats and available in the repo? How long until images? Huh, not all good ideas, but maybe it'll trigger someone elses thoughts. All my best, Ryan On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 12:01 PM Ryan Skraba <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Chris! > > I just want to say that I also see value in the Training project. I > would have thought that these resources would really have found a > "market" during these times with all of the work-from-home, webinars, > virtual presentations and conferences. > > I'm not really sure why we aren't more active, but I can share my > experience! I was enthusiastic to join the project as a result of > Justin's presentation at ApacheCon 2019[1]. It was that in-person > contact with someone enthusiastic about the project that inspired me > to contribute. When I started playing with the available code, I > learned quite a bit from the tooling and resources. I lost a bit of > momentum because it's difficult to see the impact that my > contributions make: who is using the available resources? Are they > actually useful and filling a purpose? > > Without a specific, valuable target in mind, it's difficult to keep > your motivation up! > > Anyway, I really encourage that you give the talk at ApacheCon -- it's > what got me started and you're good at it :D > > Maybe a good area to help out wouldn't be to brainstorm ways together > to kick the project back into a cycle with more contributions -> more > feedback -> more utility -> more community! For example, I think that > opening the repo to all Apache committers was a really good idea, and > maybe a bit of publicity would be enough to trigger interest. > > I remain interested by the Training project, and thanks for starting > up the conversation. I'll try to think of some good ideas so that we > have some juicy content for the next board report. > > All my best, Ryan > > [1]: https://www.apachecon.com/acna19/s/#/scheduledEvent/1172 > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 11:47 PM gautam gupta <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Chris, > > I can help with the talk. Please let me know what help do you need? > > > > Regards > > Gautam > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Mar 31, 2022, at 12:22 PM, Christofer Dutz <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > So, I've just submitted a Talk on Apache Training to ApacheCon .... I > > > still think there's value in this project. > > > However, I just don't have the energy to do everything (including > > > community building) on my own. > > > > > > So, is there anyone willing and able to help? Or should I withdraw the > > > talk and we burry the podling? > > > And this time I really mean it: Is there anyone gonna help with anything? > > > Please don't respond positively, if you just want to see it done by > > > someone else. > > > > > > Chris
