Hi Chris, that sounds like a good idea and I believe it is part of what Mirko wanted to do as well but I might be mistaken.
Cheers, Lars On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 10:51 AM Christofer Dutz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I for my part have tried to keep clear of the inner workings of the project, > as my main goal was to keep the core framework running, as this was how I got > involved in it when the project was incepted after ApacheCon Las Vegas. > > I’m happy to continue maintaining it. > > I did notice that we have 3 repos from other project that seem to aim at > training material: > > https://github.com/apache/flink-training (Seems to contain exercises to some > training material which I can’t say where it is) > https://github.com/apache/tomcat-training/blob/main/presentations/tomcat-11-preview.html > (Seems to be some tomcat related training material) > https://github.com/apache/incubator-liminal (Some incubating ML framework) > > Maybe another approach would be to contact these projects and help them > migrate to Apache Training? > > Chris > > Von: Mirko Kämpf <[email protected]> > Datum: Sonntag, 14. April 2024 um 08:38 > An: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Betreff: Fwd: Podling Report - February 2023 (delyed to March) > Hello, Apache Training people, > > our last podling report didn't make it to the Incubator wiki for review. > > *Reason was:* > - I had no permissions to write to that wiki. > > Today I checked again, and it worked, I could edit April's page with the > reports to verify it. Problem solved. > Next report is on track. > > > *Observation:*We still have zero to no community activity, besides the > attempt to release the Training Tools (Nexus access is another blocker!). > A discussion regarding our future goals couldn't be done yet because it had > to be postponed. > But we don't give up ... > > > *Our talk at the ASF conference allows us to bring our topic a bit closer > to other projects. *We have the opportunity to speak together with Apache > Wayang (Glaucia) on stage about our projects. > > We both plan the outline of our presentation next week. > > > *Here is my ask to the Apache Training people:*Could we please find a > consensus regarding one problem we want to solve? > > > *And here is the proposal: * > I start with looking at our purpose: > > The purpose of the Training project is to create high-quality training > material for various projects in an open source form. Up until now everyone > who wants to offer a Training course for one of the Apache projects needs > to create her or his own slides/labs and keep them up-to-date. This is a > significant investment of time and money. This project aims to spread that > burden and help all Apache projects as we can create shared resources and > we can also create cross-project trainings. > > In order to contribute to those valuable objectives, we should drive some > actions towards measurable goals. > One path could be: We "start active training collaboration" with a single > ASF Project - Apache Wayang - in this case, and find out what support from > ASF Training "they" could think of. > > What I expect from that question is: We in ASF-T should get an > understanding of the real demand. > We assume from experience that there is demand for collaboration on > training materials > but we have not validated what that really means. > We have to find out how others think about delivery of training > and collaboration on that topic. > > Hence my key result #1 would be the following. > > > *Expected result:*We, as the ASF-Training community, have a list of > "training material" related wishes from 10 ASF projects (5 well > established, 5 incubating). > From this list we can derive our future contributions to ASF. > > *Insights we want to gain:* > We know what training means for them. > How they typically handle training topics. > What training material exists in which form for which audience. > If they would participate in a broader training initiative, and how they > could imagine this. > What their dream about training activities related to their own project is. > > I prepare a survey using Google Forms and share it with a number x of ASF > projects. > Which projects I have asked will also be listed in a Google Spreadsheet. > All GD-links will be shared on this channel for transparency. > For this I will send another email, specifically for that activity. > You are invited to participate. > > > *Here is the plan:*Step 1 : Drafting the Survey and letter to the projects > (deadline 17-th of April) > Step 2 : Sending the survey to the projects (until 19-th of April) > Step 3 : Send second round (until 25-th of April) > Step 4 : Review responses and draw conclusions 10-th of may > Step 5 : Compile the results into our presentation. > > For now I would be happy to hear your thoughts, regarding this attempt to > fill the ASF Training mission with a bit of life. > The Conference in Bratislave is a great opportunity for doing so. > Who else of you will be there? > > Have a great weekend, > Cheers > Mirko > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > Von: Mirko Kämpf <[email protected]> > Date: Sa., 2. März 2024 um 17:40 Uhr > Subject: Podling Report - February 2023 (delyed to March) > To: <[email protected]> > > > Hello Apache Training people, > > here is the draft for our FEB-2024 podling report. > Please add your contributions to it and let me know if you have any > questions. > I am still not able to edit the report submission page in the wiki. > Request has been renewed right now. > > Best regards > Mirko > > > > > > > > > # February 2024 > ## Training > > The Training project aims to develop resources which can be used for > training purposes in various media formats, languages and for various > Apache and non-Apache target projects. > > Training has been incubating since 2019-02-21. > > The attempt started in June 2023, for reviewing and adjusting the project > goals, has not yet been finalized. > Besides a pure focus on content creation tools we have identified the need > for two additional aspects: > > (1) For ASF processes some documentation exists, e.g. > https://community.apache.org/contributor-ladder, > but the ASF member journey is still a challenge for many new members, > especially those with less coding experience. > > As a solution it has been suggested to provide training material for > teaching new participants the following procedures: > * New committer onboarding > * inter-project collaboration > * New PMC member onboarding > * New PMC Chair onboarding > * New board member onboarding > * You've just graduated to a TLP. What are the challenges you will now face? > > (2) Creation of some general recommendations/guidelines for: > * managing/validation of training material contributions of arbitrary ASF > projects has been proposed. > > We expand our focus now on the following aspects: > > * We work on strategies to increase the participation and the visibility of > the Apache Training project and its goals. > > * Besides requests for contributions from individual contributors from > other Apache projects we want to show what the Apache Training project can > offer to those projects. > > * We should build on the assumption that synergy and network effects can > help us to increase the community around training and skill management > topics. > > > > Three most important unfinished issues to address before graduating: > > * Improve the community participation (other Apache projects should > actively be linked to this project, since they "have the content") > (Re)define the short-, mid-, and long-term goals of the project. > * Select an approach to handle non coding / non document related tasks > (e.g., community related activities on events) > * Create a strategy how this projects contributes to or is supported by > other Apache projects > * Create a tutorial on how the tools provided by this project can be used > to create own content > * Review and simplify current policies around contribution review and > releases to find a pragmatic compromise > > # Are there any issues that the IPMC or ASF Board need to be aware of? > > The Apache Training project needs more contribution from other Apache > projects, hence a clear communication strategy for interlinking existing > projects with the Apache Training project is needed. > > We need feedback from other Apache projects on the tools, workflow, > resulting presentations and trainings developed till now. > > In order to improve this collaboration we suggest to investigate the status > of other project’s documentation in a systematic approach, especially with > an eye on available training related material. > > > # How has the community developed since the last report? > > Initial connection to Apache Wayang has been established. > The proposed presentation for the Community over Code conference in > Bratislava has been accepted. > This will be a collaboration between the Apache Training and Apache Wayang > project. > > We discussed the idea of supporting presenters at the Apache Conference in > 2024 in Bratislava with the Apache Training tools (Presentation template). > > > > # How has the project developed since the last report? > > A release for the provided tools has been done. > > A in person video conference has been planed. > > > # How would you assess the podling's maturity? > > There are currently some issues with this podling that we are working to > address, we believe that the issues are not yet critical and can be turned > around from within the community but want to make the board aware of this > early on. > > Initial setup oft he project’s structure: Goals and strategy needs a > refinement and a re-alignment. > Community building: The community exists of a very small number of people > but is more or less invisible. > Nearing graduation: Currently, we are far away from graduation. > > # When were the last committers or PPMC members elected? > > August 2023 > > > > # Have your mentors been helpful and responsive? > > Mentors have been responsive and helpful when reached out to. > > > > # Is the PPMC managing the podling's brand / trademarks? > > The name search process has not yet been started, as there is still time to > do that if and when graduation draws nearer. > > The PPMC is actively monitoring usage of the Podlings current name on other > sites. > > The Podling is not directly affiliating with any sponsors donating content > and presenting an independent image on the webpage. > > > > Signed-off-by: > > (training) Craig Russell > Comments: > > (training) Christofer Dutz > Comments: > > (training) Justin Mclean > Comments: > > (training) Lars Francke > Comments: > > > > > -- > > Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf > Müchelner Str. 23 > 06259 Frankleben > > > > -- > > Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf > Müchelner Str. 23 > 06259 Frankleben
