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Byron Foster commented on VELOCITY-704:
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You know I think these discussions get buried in these tickets. For example in
this ticket there are really about 4 issues being discussed.
About the #evaluate scope, I really don't have an opinion, I have never used
this directive so I don't have a feel for what makes since in practice. If you
have a strong persuasion, and there is no other opinion, then go with your gut
:)
I'm indifferent about #pragma, but I don't think it solves the default scoping
behavior since those of us who prefer the default to be macro would want it
system wide, and don't want to have to specify the behavior on every page.
This takes us then to a velocity.properties setting, and ...
Ok, I don't like to be the last word type, but I do have to respectively
address your presentation of defaulting to global scope :) Your labels of
"implicit scoping" vs "explicit scoping" I think are not accurate. Look, the
only question is what does #set($foo = "bar") do??? I assert that the default
behavior should be macro scope (No side effects), you assert global scope. I
don't think either approach is more "explicit" or "implicit".
I agree with everything else you say. I like this approach in general to
scoping. And yes, it's a huge improvement over where VTL is now where I don't
think even the committers could give a concise set of rules that describe
current scoping behavior. Adding scope control, and formalizing the behavior
is good for everybody.
Yes, I hated $foreach.stop() :) #stop($foreach) is much better, even though I
have a strong feeling I'll continue to use #break, the second class directive,
I'm a creature of habit!
> VTL Simplicity - "Control" objects
> ----------------------------------
>
> Key: VELOCITY-704
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELOCITY-704
> Project: Velocity
> Issue Type: New Feature
> Components: Engine
> Reporter: Nathan Bubna
> Assignee: Nathan Bubna
> Fix For: 2.0
>
>
> In the discussion for VELOCITY-680, Claude suggested the addition of what i'm
> calling "control" objects as a solution. These would have the same name as
> the block directive or macro to which they belong. At a minimum, these
> would provide get(key), set(key, value) and stop() methods to control the
> reference scoping and execution of the block to which they belong.
> Directives could extend the basic control object to provide additional
> functions, such as index() and hasNext() for #foreach. Here's some examples:
> #foreach( $user in $users )
> $user#if( $foreach.hasNext ), #end
> #if( $foreach.count > 10 ) $foreach.stop() #end
> #end
> #macro( foo $bar )
> blah blah #if( $bar == 'bar' ) $foo.stop() #end
> #set( $foo.woogie = 'woogie' )
> $foo.woogie
> #end
> #foreach( $item in $list )
> #set( $outer = $foreach )
> #foreach( $attr in $item.attributes )
> #if ( $attr == $null ) $outer.stop()#end
> #end
> #end
> ------foo.vm---------
> blah blah $template.stop() blah
> ------------------------
> #define( $foo )
> blah blah $define.stop() blah
> #end
> This could allow us to greatly simplify all sorts of things. We could remove
> the #break, #stop and #return directives. We would no longer need to have
> "local" contexts for foreach loops or macros; instead users could set and get
> local variables directly in the provided namespace. All else would be
> global. This may even cut down our internal code complexity a fair bit.
> It'll certainly obviate the need for several configuration properties and
> internal contexts. Everything becomes much more explicit, obvious and
> robust. I also don't think it looks ugly. :)
> We would, of course, have to make sure that the StopExceptions thrown by
> stop() aren't wrapped into MethodInvocationExceptions. We'd have to make the
> directives clean up their control when done rendering, and if they're nested
> in a directive of the same type, then they should save and restore the
> reference to the parent control. We'd also have to figure out a good
> default name to give the control objects for the top-level control object,
> and whether it would be different than the name of the control object used
> during a #parse call. $template? $parse? $velocity? If we wanted to use
> $template--which i think works well for both top-level and #parse--then we'd
> probably have to make it configurable, since that's likely to conflict. And
> if we make that configurable, i suppose we may as well make it configurable
> for the others too.
> I'm struggling to think of any real downside to this. Most of the replaced
> features (implicit macro localscope, #stop, #break, $velocityHasNext) are
> either not default behavior or are new features. I'd wager that most people
> would only have to change $velocityCount to $foreach.count. Even that's no
> big deal, since this would be for a major version change. , The worst i can
> think of is the fact that for a couple of these controls it would mean a few
> more keystrokes. Considering all the gains in extensibility, explicitness
> and simplification (for us and users), i think it's worth a few keystrokes.
> What do you guys think?
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