I don't have any time for dev work on Velocity these days, so it doesn't
much matter whether i consider it or not. :) If someone wants to put in the
work, i won't protest. My inclination, ineffectual though it may be, is to
point out that it was removed 2 versions ago, in 2.0. Adding it back in as
a BC option in 2.2 seems more than a little belated... :)

I do agree, the 1.7-2.0 upgrade docs probably should have said that those
deprecated features were actually removed. That was an oversight on our
part.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:04 AM Thomas Mortagne <thomas.morta...@xwiki.com>
wrote:

> OK should probably be documented in the 1.7->2.0 upgrade then because
> it was not very obvious before that it was deprecated since it was the
> default behavior not something you could disable.
>
> So next question I guess is would you consider having it disabled by
> default and be able to enable with a configuration like it was done
> for other things in 2.1/2.2 ? I have to try :)
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:24 PM Nathan Bubna <nbu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is a planned change. Implicit local scope was deprecated in 1.7 for
> > removal in 2.0 and was replaced with explicit scope control objects.
> >
> https://velocity.apache.org/engine/devel/upgrading.html#upgrading-from-velocity-16x-to-velocity-17x
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:29 AM Thomas Mortagne <
> thomas.morta...@xwiki.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Took me a while to understand it but I actually found a new difference
> > > in the way Velocity deal with variables set inside a macro.
> > >
> > > In 1.7 by default (i.e. without "velocimacro.context.localscope")
> > > variables set in a macro end up in both the global context and a local
> > > one and when accessing this variable later in the macro the local
> > > value is used retrieved (all this happen in ProxyVMContext).
> > >
> > > This means that if the macro also calls some method that update the
> > > global VelocityContext it won't have any effect on the following macro
> > > code because that change will be hidden by the local context. While I
> > > did not debugged on Velocity 2.2-SNAPSHOT , the result I get suggest
> > > that there is no local context in macros anymore or at least it's not
> > > used the same way in this use case.
> > >
> > > The use case in which I noticed this behavior change it is a macro
> > > which initialization some variable, calls an API which execute another
> > > Velocity template (a kind of include in other words) and then use the
> > > previously set variable. What happen after upgrade is that the
> > > variable is "broken" by the other template (because the template use a
> > > variable with the same name for totally unrelated reasons).
> > >
> > > It does not affect XWiki Standard much (that's why I only found it
> > > now) and I'm not sure if it used to work only by luck or if whoever
> > > wrote that use case really was counting on macro variables to be
> > > "protected" but it might have a huge effect on some extensions.
> > >
> > > How do you feel about this change and do you want me to create a jira
> > > issue about this behavior change ?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 2:50 PM Thomas Mortagne
> > > <thomas.morta...@xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > False alarm actually I think, sorry for the noise.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 2:21 PM Thomas Mortagne
> > > > <thomas.morta...@xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately it seems the fix is not complete (commented on the
> Jira
> > > issue).
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 3:55 PM Thomas Mortagne
> > > > > <thomas.morta...@xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So that one was on me after all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > XWiki is a big beast and I might have missed some edge case but
> let's
> > > > > > say +1 for a RC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:23 AM Thomas Mortagne
> > > > > > <thomas.morta...@xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is one more thing that I want to debug today (hopefully
> > > answer
> > > > > > > before 6pm GMT+1) to check if it's a side effect of this bug,
> > > another
> > > > > > > regression or a mistake I made when I upgraded since a lot of
> APIs
> > > > > > > changed (it's not an obvious error, just a slight difference
> in the
> > > > > > > result but there are quite a few layers of abstractions to
> debug
> > > > > > > between the result and the Velocity engine).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 10:56 AM Claude Brisson
> > > > > > > <cla...@renegat.net.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fixed. Thanks for the report.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thomas, do you think you may have any other subtle xwiki bug
> to
> > > report
> > > > > > > > before I push out the next RC?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 20-01-03 12 h 31, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi sorry me again,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I just hit
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VELOCITY-924.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 11:12 PM Claude Brisson
> > > > > > > > > <cla...@renegat.net.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> The test build of Velocity Engine 2.2 RC4 is available.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> No determination as to the quality ('alpha,' 'beta,' or
> 'GA')
> > > of
> > > > > > > > >> Velocity Engine 2.1 RC3 has been made, and at this time
> it is
> > > simply a
> > > > > > > > >> "test build". We welcome any comments you may have, and
> will
> > > take all
> > > > > > > > >> feedback into account if a quality vote is called for this
> > > build.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Release notes:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> *
> > > > > > > > >>
> > >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/velocity/velocity-engine/2.2/release-notes.html
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Distribution:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>    *
> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/velocity/velocity-engine/2.2/
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Maven 2 staging repository:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>    *
> > > > > > > > >>
> > >
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachevelocity-1032/
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Documentation:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> * https://velocity.apache.org/engine/2.2/
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Sources:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>    *
> > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/velocity/engine/tags/2.2/
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Release Candidates History:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>    * RC1 Initial RC
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>    * RC2
> > > > > > > > >>    - added BigInteger and BigDecimal implicit conversions
> > > > > > > > >>    - [VELOCITY-923] fixed a parser regression for `$foo||`
> > > > > > > > >>    - [VELOCITY-904] fixed two corner case bugs for the
> > > > > > > > >> velocimacro.arguments.preserve_literals backward
> > > compatibility flag
> > > > > > > > >>    - fixed engine and dependency versions in README and
> > > mention the
> > > > > > > > >> parser customization feature in the *building* section
> > > > > > > > >>    - nicified README links
> > > > > > > > >>    - upgraded surfire plugin version from 2.19.1 to 2.22.1
> > > > > > > > >>    - upgraded maven-jar-plugin from 3.1.1 to 3.2.2
> > > > > > > > >>    - added version 1.2 for extra-enforcer-rules
> > > > > > > > >>    - upgraded maven-javadoc-plugin from 3.1.0 to 3.1.1
> > > > > > > > >>    - upgraded findbugs-maven-plugin from 3.0.4 to 3.0.5
> > > > > > > > >>    - upgraded maven-release-plugin from *unspecified* to
> > > 3.0.0-M1
> > > > > > > > >>    - added a new templatized static class
> > > > > > > > >> org.apache.velocity.runtime.VelocityEngineVersion.java
> > > > > > > > >>    - use the File Separator control character to mark the
> end
> > > of stream
> > > > > > > > >> for the parser (instead of the zero-width space char)
> > > > > > > > >>    - reviewed packaging of engine examples (refreshed
> > > content, plus made
> > > > > > > > >> them as a standalone zip file with readme, shell scripts,
> > > dependencies
> > > > > > > > >> and examples sources rather than a meaningless standalone
> pom
> > > next to a
> > > > > > > > >> jar without explanations...)
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> * RC3
> > > > > > > > >>    - [VELOCITY-904] fixed yet another corner case bugs
> for the
> > > > > > > > >> velocimacro.arguments.preserve_literals backward
> > > compatibility flag
> > > > > > > > >>    - upgraded SLF4J from 1..7.28 to 1.7.30
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> * RC4
> > > > > > > > >>    - [VELOCITY-904] fixed a regression introduced in RC3
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>     --
> > > > > > > > >>     Claude
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
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