Louis--
Thanks for the explanations. I have a feeling some of us, well, didn't
understand this picture at all. And, see further comments below.
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
All,
There are several things going on and the goal is to make it easier both
for developers and endusers to get and work on OpenOffice.org.
* homepage redesign : homepage using Collabnet
* portal.openoffice.org: not CollabNet, using Drupal + outside servers
* users.services.openoffice.org: not collabnet, using outside servers
OK, I, for one would like more elaboration on what you see as the
functional differences in these three pieces. And, where does the wiki
come in? You've identified the pieces but not how they interact.
My opinion is that, well, there shouldn't be the necessity of what
you're calling a "portal" AND a homepage. In other words,
old technology = home page
new technology = portal
maybe?
I'm having a bit of a problem with your further discussion of this
below. Or to put it more simple, why couldn't the home page in essence,
BE the portal? When I saw Filip's mockup, I thought immediately that's
where we were going. If not, what functionality do you envision the
portal having vs the home page?
* overall infrastructure redesign: let's see
* wikis
+ overall infrastructure. The last one is global and there are meetings
involving the stakeholders later on this month and early next. The idea
there is to clarify which SCM (source code manager) we'll be using, and
to resolve other things related to the website. You've seen, I am sure,
the posts regarding "infrastructure requirements."
+ The homepage redesign is necessary but there seems to be some
confusion. The wiki,
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Pages_Requirements, was
created by me for the *portal,* not the homepage; at the time, I wasn't
thinking of "portal" as the term. Unfortunately, at least for the
foreseeable future, we are limited to using CollabNet for the homepage,
if not for the portal.
Portal was initially kicked off by Filip, whose company, Bluepoint
proposed something similar off the OOo domain. I feel, along with
Stefan, that we want something in the domain, else we jeopardize our
brand. The compromise was "portal.openoffice.org," which we can use.
We cannot replace the homepage right now as we are tied to Collabnet.
However, portal.openoffice.org would not be.
+ The users.services.openoffice.org site is the evolution of the
OOoForums, which Ed Buck used to manage. He still may but the the group
would like now to situate it within the .services universe, and I agree.
Most people think of the OOoForums site as being part of OOo, anyway.
The actual technology underlying it is something I have not been tracking.
+ The wikis will continue to use mostly Sun severs and be Sun managed,
though not all servers within the universe are Sun, of course.
*** In a nutshell, then, the goal is ultimately to have a coherent
structure and infrastructure. We are clearly not there yet and are in
transition. Because of contractual obligations we must stay with the
collabnet infrastructure for a while, at least, but for enduser and
developer domains where it makes sense can use alternative servers and
infrastructures; that's where portal.openoffice.org comes in.
Does this clarify things? The immediate goal for this discussion is double:
* homepage redesign
* portal.openoffice.org
Homepage: collabnet
Portal: not Collab but Drupal.
If an IRC discussion will help, I'm free anytime, more or less.
best
louis
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