Actually, I think https://cn.aliyun.com/solution/emas?spm=a2c7j.-zh-community-biz-emas.0.0.5daac8eecHbyWI already is an external website for EMAS - so this can probably just be listed under "Tools using Apache Weex" on the new Apache Weex website.
Am Fr., 1. März 2019 um 11:17 Uhr schrieb Jan Piotrowski <piotrow...@gmail.com>: > > I understood that, and that is exactly why EMAS can not be under one > of the official domains being used for Apache Weex. As weex.io is a > plain redirect, it will be considered as "part of Apache Weex" by the > users. If EMAS uses the same domain, users will make the same > assumption here - which is not true. > > The content from http://emas.weex.io/zh/community/biz-emas.html should > be extracted into its own website that does not share anything with > the Apache Weex project website. Something non Apache-Weex can't just > copy the whole website and add a few pages, as this will greatly > confuse users. (If EMAS was historically available under that domain, > of course all the old links can be redirected to its new domains so > they keep working.) > > EMAS can (and should! it's awesome something like that exists) of > course be listed on the official Apache Weex website as "enterprise > mobile development solution based on Apache Weex" or similar. > > Take Apache Cordova and Adobe Phonegap as an example. Apache Cordova > is https://cordova.apache.org/. Phonegap is https://phonegap.com/ and > builds on Apache Cordova. It mentions Cordova on its website and links > to Apache Cordova. > > But as with all other not-really-Apache-Weex things, the > differentiation has to be made 100% clear. Ther should be no confusion > for users what is _Apache_ Weex and what is tools for or other > software built on Weex. > > -J > > Am Fr., 1. März 2019 um 03:16 Uhr schrieb 申远 <shenyua...@gmail.com>: > > > > Technically speaking, EMAS is an enterprise mobile develop solution based > > on weex, and I think the target users of EMAS are Chinese. Actually, there > > is an entry[1] for EMAS in Chinese document. Besides that, there is no > > difference between http://weex.apache.org and http://emas.weex.io/ . > > > > And Weex projcet always declared that http://weex.apache.org or > > http://weex.io are the official homepage. > > > > [1] http://emas.weex.io/zh/community/biz-emas.html > > > > Best Regards, > > YorkShen > > > > 申远 > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <piotrow...@gmail.com> 于2019年2月28日周四 下午10:08写道： > > > > > I don't understand. > > > > > > A "commercial eco system for weex" should not just mirror the complete > > > site, even (and especially!) if they add their own things. > > > Right now I have no idea what this really is when I go there, so this > > > should definitely be cleaned up. > > > > > > -J > > > > > > Am Do., 28. Feb. 2019 um 04:24 Uhr schrieb 申远 <shenyua...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > EMAS is a commercial eco-system for weex, so this url[1] should not be > > > > redirected to https:/weex.apache.org > > > > > > > > I have talked to guys of EMAS, they are using the source code of > > > > incubator-weex-site [2] and some third-party content to build the > > > website, > > > > while weex only use incubator-weex-site [2] > > > > > > > > [1] http://emas.weex.io/ > > > > [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex-site/ > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > YorkShen > > > > > > > > 申远 > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <piotrow...@gmail.com> 于2019年2月28日周四 上午5:37写道： > > > > > > > > > Nice! > > > > > > > > > > Just found http://emas.weex.io/ which is not redirecting yet. > > > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > Am Mi., 27. Feb. 2019 um 07:00 Uhr schrieb 申远 <shenyua...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://weex-project.io is also redirected to http://weex.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for the following issue, I think we have done the relaunch > > > > > procedure > > > > > > of website: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Google Search Console Account > > > > > > - Redirect http://weex.apache.org to https://weex.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > YorkShen > > > > > > > > > > > > 申远 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan <faterr...@gmail.com> 于2019年2月27日周三 上午11:53写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The server should just be a Apache webserver (of course!) that > > > can > > > > > > > accept .htaccess files to redirect non-http requests. > > > > > > > Super complicated example from Cordova: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/cordova-docs/blob/3c41a7d14192eb26c883c65fc63be303f811474e/www/.htaccess#L118-L130 > > > > > > > There should be much easier ways to achieve this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will take a look and try to make weex.apache.org work with > > > non-http. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 申远 <shenyua...@gmail.com> 于2019年2月27日周三 上午11:08写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The check has passed now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > YorkShen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 申远 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2019年2月22日周五 下午8:08写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI, there is a tool[1] to check if the website is following > > > the > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > rules. > > > > > > > > > Please take a look and fix them ASAP. The website issues need > > > to be > > > > > > > > > addressed before graducation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]https://whimsy.apache.org/pods.cgi/project/weex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Willem Jiang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Twitter: willemjiang > > > > > > > > > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 7:58 PM 申远 <shenyua...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like INFRA is not ok the mirror site in China. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I have updated the content of > > > https://weex.apache.org/, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the same as https://weex.io now. *As there is a > > > > > > > > > > privilege issue, https://weex-project.io/ < > > > > > https://weex-project.io/> > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > updated yet.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later, I will redirect https://weex.io and > > > > > https://weex-project.io/ > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > https://weex.apache.org/ using 302 redirection and configure > > > > > robots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feedback of the new design for https://weex.apache.org/ is > > > > > welcomed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > YorkShen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 申远 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <piotrow...@gmail.com> 于2019年2月20日周三 > > > 下午8:02写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good question comment you posted on the INFRA post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope they will agree, that there is no problem at all as > > > > > long as > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > official website is at weex.apache.org. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Mi., 20. Feb. 2019 um 09:48 Uhr schrieb 申远 < > > > > > > > shenyua...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But until this happens I think an absolutely practical > > > > > solution > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > be to use a second host in China with a separate > > > > > > > > > > > > > domain > > > > > that > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > provide better speeds to Chinese users. It just has to > > > > > show the > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > same content as the official site (and be hidden from > > > > > search > > > > > > > > > engines > > > > > > > > > > > > > via robots.txt to not confuse them). INFRA should have > > > no > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > with that (as it is a appropriate workaround for their > > > slow > > > > > > > > > response > > > > > > > > > > > > > times in China - and no branding stuff is ignored). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deploying the same content to two different host and > > > > > domains > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > are planning to do until we understand it may still > > > break one > > > > > > > > domain > > > > > > > > > > > rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. According to > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-17872 > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > INFRA have different point of view on separate domain > > > with > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Personally speaking, I understand a world wide CDN is > > > not > > > > > > > > > practical > > > > > > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > > > > > and sometimes one may give up a better engineer solution > > > due > > > > > to > > > > > > > law > > > > > > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > From user points, we need to give a brief explanation of > > > the > > > > > > > > latency > > > > > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > YorkShen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 申远 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <piotrow...@gmail.com> 于2019年2月20日周三 > > > > > 上午2:24写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, the _domain name_ is not actually at all related > > > to the > > > > > > > speed > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the site - the _hosting_ is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My results for those two domains from Germany, Berlin > > > for > > > > > > > > example: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C:\Users\Jan>ping weex.io > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinging weex.io [47.75.160.176] with 32 bytes of data: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply from 47.75.160.176: bytes=32 time=327ms TTL=46 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply from 47.75.160.176: bytes=32 time=327ms TTL=46 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply from 47.75.160.176: bytes=32 time=327ms TTL=46 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply from 47.75.160.176: bytes=32 time=335ms TTL=46 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ping statistics for 47.75.160.176: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% > > > loss), > > > > > > > > > > > > > Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minimum = 327ms, Maximum = 335ms, Average = 329ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C:\Users\Jan>ping weex.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinging weex.apache.org [2a01:4f9:2a:185f::2] with 32 > > > > > bytes of > > > > > > > > > data: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply from 2a01:4f9:2a:185f::2: time=46ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply from 2a01:4f9:2a:185f::2: time=46ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply from 2a01:4f9:2a:185f::2: time=49ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply from 2a01:4f9:2a:185f::2: time=46ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ping statistics for 2a01:4f9:2a:185f::2: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% > > > loss), > > > > > > > > > > > > > Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minimum = 46ms, Maximum = 49ms, Average = 46ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you should be aware that the actual problem (Apache > > > > > server > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > slow > > > > > > > > > > > > > from China) is a different one that is now discussed > > > with > > > > > INFRA > > > > > > > > > (Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > project use a different domain). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only real solution is for INFRA to use a world > > > wide CDN > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > fast everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But until this happens I think an absolutely practical > > > > > solution > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > be to use a second host in China with a separate > > > > > > > > > > > > > domain > > > > > that > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > provide better speeds to Chinese users. It just has to > > > > > show the > > > > > > > > > exact > > > > > > > > > > > > > same content as the official site (and be hidden from > > > > > search > > > > > > > > > engines > > > > > > > > > > > > > via robots.txt to not confuse them). INFRA should have > > > no > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > with that (as it is a appropriate workaround for their > > > slow > > > > > > > > > response > > > > > > > > > > > > > times in China - and no branding stuff is ignored). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Di., 19. Feb. 2019 um 12:57 Uhr schrieb Myrle > > > Krantz < > > > > > > > > > > > my...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've created an INFRA ticket: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-17872 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't promise that INFRA can solve this, but > > > hopefully > > > > > > > > they'll > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to add any details you have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Myrle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 7:18 AM Dan < > > > faterr...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Jan, I will take a look at this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <piotrow...@gmail.com> > > > 于2019年2月18日周一 > > > > > > > > 下午6:15写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cordova uses the npm package `insight` for > > > > > telemetry, you > > > > > > > > > can see > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in these two files: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/blob/master/src/telemetry.js > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/blob/master/src/cli.js > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The data being tracked is very limited, and all > > > done > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explicit opt-in by the user. (You get a prompt > > > when > > > > > you > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > install > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cordova). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dashboard itself is built on the Google > > > Analytics > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collects the data for pretty graphs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One problem: I am under the impression that > > > Google > > > > > > > > Analytics > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocked for good parts of Chinese users, so > > > Cordova's > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > usage in China is probably very broken. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Mo., 18. Feb. 2019 um 08:29 Uhr schrieb Dan < > > > > > > > > > > > faterr...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for getting back to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your opinion has helped us a lot. We will > > > migrate > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > deployment > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > document to weex.apache.org in these two days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, do you know the detail about how to do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > user-track > > > > > > > > > > > bellow > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apache way, I know the Cordova has > > > > > > > telemetry.cordova.io > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > record > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we also want to record the user's behavior in > > > the > > > > > > > > > weex-toolkit > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better improve the tool experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan Piotrowski <piotrow...@gmail.com> > > > > > 于2019年2月15日周五 > > > > > > > > > 下午7:42写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides what the rules say (which I don't > > > really > > > > > > > know): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An apache.org domain has an incredible > > > effect on > > > > > > > > > > > credibility and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trust. Apache is a really strong brand with > > > > > > > developers, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > especially > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new projects like Weex can benefit from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The project will be called "Apache Weex" > > > anyway) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache Cordova owns the cordova.io domain > > > and > > > > > uses > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > redirect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cordova.apache.org. That way we can still > > > tell > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > to go > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "cordova.io", but on Google and in user's > > > > > browser > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > happens > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on apache.cordova.org. We also have loads of > > > > > > > > subdomains > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blog.cordova.io issues.cordova.io, > > > > > slack.cordova.io, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > telemetry.cordova.io and so on as shortcuts > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > handy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using the domains you mentioned, weex.io > > > could > > > > > > > > redirect > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weex.apache.org, docs.weex.io redirects to > > > > > > > > > > > weex.apache.org/docs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blog.weex.io to weex.apache.org/blog and so > > > on. > > > > > Then > > > > > > > > > > > cn.weex.io > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redirect to weex-project.io for easier > > > finding > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > domain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15. Feb 2019, at 07:38, Dan < > > > > > > > faterr...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Myrle/Willem, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently, we have a domain name of > > > weex.io > > > > > and > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > it to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the previous weex-project.io domain name > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. The domain name is shorter and easier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > remember. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Apache's website has slower access to > > > the > > > > > > > > developer > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > China, so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a mirror website weex-project.io for > > > > > Chinese > > > > > > > > > developer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. We expect to support https on this > > > website > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > support > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > server functions, such as Q&A robots, > > > article > > > > > blog > > > > > > > > > posts, > > > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to ask if apache has any > > > > > restrictions > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > third-party > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > domain name, and look forward to hearing > > > from > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
