Hi Martin,

sorry for the long delay in responding but I am sure you know how it is with multiple
projects.

I certainly agree with you both on the comm and msg standards on new phones - it is an ever changing world there. It would certainly be worth looking into JSRs for addressing REST
on mobile devices. I did read the WADL standard and it does seem promising.

I am going to be traveling for a bit longer but I will stay in touch and either email or eventually
a face-to-face meeting that would certainly be good.

Thanks

On 4/22/2011 11:04 AM, Martin Gainty wrote:
it is difficult with PDA's coming out every 6 months to elucidate from the PDA managers which communication protocols and messaging standards these new PDAs will be supporting
*or* as in the case of MS and Apple are they crafting their own ...?
it would be nice to find at least 1 JSR to address REST based messaging standards for PDAs

i think there is a future for REST consuming clients on PDAs and since we're consuming alot of bandwidth here we could meet somewhere in btown..anyone that wants to participate is invited (especially angel investors)

perhaps WADL is the way..?

keep in touch!
Martin
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Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:39:24 -0400
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Woden on mobile devices


Hi Martin,

yes exactly and that's the reason we switched over to REST services and particularly for mobile devices. Even though ksoap2 on Android seems to be fairly efficient it's still a bit
heavier that the REST/HTTP mechanisms.
I also looked into WADL but I am not sure how mature or generally accepted it is at this point.

Regarding the publishing of the REST service, as you pointed out there's not a standard method to publish them - some ideas I saw generate documents that describe the directory hierarchy for the server side along with the URL specifications on how to reach the various resources. I use Ajax for building clients for these services. But I can certainly work with you
on coming up with may be a more general architecture.

In any case, thanks for the feedback and I will let you know about this once I give it a bit
more thought. I appreciate the information and help Martin.

On 4/21/2011 11:30 AM, Martin Gainty wrote:

    not yet here is their doc

    Please note that SOAP introduces some significant overhead for web
    services that may be problematic for mobile devices. If you have
    full control over the client and the server, a REST based
    architecture may be more adequate.

    maybe you can create a testcase and we can come up with an
    architecture to
    1)publish the REST service
    2)create a Stub client which will consume the REST message

    did you have anything specific in mind?

    Martin
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    Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:00:15 -0400
    From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: Woden on mobile devices


    Hi Martin,

    apologies for re-posting this one - do you have an idea on whether
    the segment you sent below
    can handle REST-annotated WSDL files?

    Thanks

    On 4/16/2011 10:54 AM, Demetris wrote:


        Hi Martin,

        isn't this parsing a SOAP WSDL file using the ksoap2 libs? Can
        it handle documents that describe
        REST as well? I guess it should but i am not sure. I will need
        to look into a bit more carefully.

        I appreciate the feedback

        On 4/15/2011 12:12 PM, Martin Gainty wrote:

            
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ksoap2/files/ksoap2/2.1.2/ksoap2-j2me-core-2.1.2.jar/download
            take a look at org.ksoap2.transport.HttpTransport

            ksoap2\target\classes>javap
            .\org\ksoap2\transport\HttpTransport
            public class org.ksoap2.transport.HttpTransport extends
            org.ksoap2.transport.Transport{
                org.ksoap2.transport.ServiceConnection connection;
                java.io.OutputStream os;
                java.io.InputStream is;
                public
            org.ksoap2.transport.HttpTransport(java.lang.String);
               public void call(java.lang.String,
            org.ksoap2.SoapEnvelope)       throws java.io.IOException,
            org.xmlpull.v1.XmlPullParserException;
                public void reset();
                protected org.ksoap2.transport.ServiceConnection
            getServiceConnection()
              throws java.io.IOException;
            }

            //vs the axis HttpTransportReceiver
            public class
            org.apache.axis2.transport.http.HTTPTransportReceiver {
                public static Map getGetRequestParameters(String
            requestURI) {
                    Map map = new HashMap();
                    if (requestURI == null || "".equals(requestURI)) {
                        return map;
                    }
                    char[]       chars = requestURI.toCharArray();
                    final int NOT_BEGUN = 1500;
                    final int INSIDE_NAME = 1501;
                    final int INSIDE_VALUE = 1502;
                    int state = NOT_BEGUN;
                    StringBuffer name = new StringBuffer();
                    StringBuffer value = new StringBuffer();

                    for (int index = 0; index < chars.length; index++) {
                        if (state == NOT_BEGUN) {
                            if (chars[index] == '?') {
                                state = INSIDE_NAME;
                            }
                        } else if (state == INSIDE_NAME) {
                            if (chars[index] == '=') {
                                state = INSIDE_VALUE;
                            } else {
                                name.append(chars[index]);
                            }
                        } else if (state == INSIDE_VALUE) {
                            if (chars[index] == ',') {
                                state = INSIDE_NAME;
                                map.put(name.toString(),
            value.toString());
                                name.delete(0, name.length());
                                value.delete(0, value.length());
                            } else {
                                value.append(chars[index]);
                            }
                        }
                    }
                    if (name.length() + value.length() > 0) {
                        map.put(name.toString(), value.toString());
                    }
                    return map;
                }

                public static String
            getServicesHTML(ConfigurationContext configurationContext) {
                    String temp = "";
                    Map services =
            configurationContext.getAxisConfiguration().getServices();
                    Hashtable erroneousServices =
configurationContext.getAxisConfiguration().getFaultyServices();
                    boolean status = false;
                    if ((services != null) && !services.isEmpty()) {
                        status = true;
                        Collection serviceCollection = services.values();
                        temp += "<h2>" + "Deployed services" + "</h2>";
                        for (Iterator it =
            serviceCollection.iterator(); it.hasNext();) {

                            AxisService axisService = (AxisService)
            it.next();

                            Iterator iterator =
            axisService.getOperations();

                            temp += "<h3><a href=\"" +
            axisService.getName() + "?wsdl\">" +
                                    axisService.getName() + "</a></h3>";

                            if (iterator.hasNext()) {
                                temp += "Available operations <ul>";

                                for (; iterator.hasNext();) {
                                    AxisOperation axisOperation =
            (AxisOperation) iterator.next();

                                    temp += "<li>" +
            axisOperation.getName().getLocalPart() + "</li>";
                                }

                                temp += "</ul>";
                            } else {
                                temp += "No operations specified for
            this service";
                            }
                        }
                    }
                    if ((erroneousServices != null) &&
            !erroneousServices.isEmpty()) {
                        temp += "<hr><h2><font color=\"blue\">Faulty
            Services</font></h2>";
                        status = true;

                        Enumeration faultyservices =
            erroneousServices.keys();

                        while (faultyservices.hasMoreElements()) {
                            String faultyserviceName = (String)
            faultyservices.nextElement();

                            temp += "<h3><font color=\"blue\">" +
            faultyserviceName + "</font></h3>";
                        }
                    }
                    if (!status) {
                        temp = "<h2>There are no services deployed</h2>";
                    }
                    temp = "<html><head><title>Axis2:
            Services</title></head>" + "<body>" + temp
                            + "</body></html>";

                    return temp;
                }
                public static String printServiceHTML(String serviceName,
ConfigurationContext configurationContext) {
                    String temp = "";
                    try {
                        AxisConfiguration axisConfig =
            configurationContext.getAxisConfiguration();
                        AxisService axisService =
            axisConfig.getService(serviceName);
                        Iterator iterator = axisService.getOperations();
                        temp += "<h3>" + axisService.getName() + "</h3>";
                        temp += "<a href=\"" + axisService.getName() +
            "?wsdl\">wsdl</a> <br/> ";
                        temp += "<i>Service Description :  " +
            axisService.getServiceDescription() +
                                "</i><br/><br/>";
                        if (iterator.hasNext()) {
                            temp += "Available operations <ul>";
                            for (; iterator.hasNext();) {
                                AxisOperation axisOperation =
            (AxisOperation) iterator.next();
                                temp += "<li>" +
            axisOperation.getName().getLocalPart() + "</li>";
                            }
                            temp += "</ul>";
                        } else {
                            temp += "No operations specified for this
            service";
                        }
                        temp = "<html><head><title>Axis2:
            Services</title></head>" + "<body>" + temp
                                + "</body></html>";
                    }
                    catch (AxisFault axisFault) {
                        temp = "<html><head><title>Service has a
            fualt</title></head>" + "<body>"
                                + "<hr><h2><font color=\"blue\">" +
            axisFault.getMessage() +
                                "</font></h2></body></html>";
                    }
                    return temp;
                }
            }

            //since neither class is an interface we would need to
            refactor our
            public class
            org.apache.axis2.transport.http.NewHTTPTransportReceiver
            extends org.ksoap2.transport.HttpTransport
            {
            //all of the legacy HttptransportReceiver code
            //add in overrides for attrs and methods from HttpTransport
            }

            //assuming we setup a simple client which implements
            org.ksoap2.transport.HttpTransport
            public class org.ksoap2.SoapEnvelope extends java.lang.Object{
                public static final int VER10;
                public static final int VER11;
                public static final int VER12;
                public static final java.lang.String ENV2001;
                public static final java.lang.String ENC2001;
                public static final java.lang.String ENV;
                public static final java.lang.String ENC;
                public static final java.lang.String XSD;
                public static final java.lang.String XSI;
                public static final java.lang.String XSD1999;
                public static final java.lang.String XSI1999;
                public java.lang.Object bodyIn;
                public java.lang.Object bodyOut;
                public org.kxml2.kdom.Element[] headerIn;
                public org.kxml2.kdom.Element[] headerOut;
                public java.lang.String encodingStyle;
                public int version;
                public java.lang.String env;
                public java.lang.String enc;
                public java.lang.String xsi;
                public java.lang.String xsd;
                public static boolean stringToBoolean(java.lang.String);
                public org.ksoap2.SoapEnvelope(int);
public void parse(org.xmlpull.v1.XmlPullParser) throws java.io.IOExcep
            tion, org.xmlpull.v1.XmlPullParserException;
                public void
            parseHeader(org.xmlpull.v1.XmlPullParser)       throws
            java.io.I
            OException, org.xmlpull.v1.XmlPullParserException;
                public void
            parseBody(org.xmlpull.v1.XmlPullParser)       throws
            java.io.IOE
            xception, org.xmlpull.v1.XmlPullParserException;
public void write(org.xmlpull.v1.XmlSerializer) throws java.io.IOExcep
            tion;
                public void
            writeHeader(org.xmlpull.v1.XmlSerializer)       throws
            java.io.I
            OException;
                public void
            writeBody(org.xmlpull.v1.XmlSerializer)       throws
            java.io.IOE
            xception;
                public void setOutputSoapObject(java.lang.Object);
            }

            vs our own javax.xml.soap.SOAPEnvelope
            public interface SOAPEnvelope extends SOAPElement {
                /**
                 * Creates a new <CODE>Name</CODE> object initialized
            with the given local name, namespace
                 * prefix, and namespace URI.
                 * <p/>
                 * <P>This factory method creates <CODE>Name</CODE>
            objects for use in the SOAP/XML document.
                 *
                 * @param localName a <CODE>String</CODE> giving the
            local name
                 * @param prefix    a <CODE>String</CODE> giving the
            prefix of the namespace
                 * @param uri       a <CODE>String</CODE> giving the
            URI of the namespace
                 * @return a <CODE>Name</CODE> object initialized with
            the given local name, namespace prefix,
                 *         and namespace URI
                 * @throws SOAPException if there is a SOAP error
                 */
                public abstract Name createName(String localName,
                                                String prefix,
                                                String uri)
                        throws SOAPException;
                public abstract Name createName(String localName)
            throws SOAPException;
                public abstract SOAPHeader getHeader() throws
            SOAPException;
                public abstract SOAPBody getBody() throws SOAPException;
                public abstract SOAPHeader addHeader() throws
            SOAPException;
                public abstract SOAPBody addBody() throws SOAPException;
            }

            //so you would need a new uber SOAPEnvelope class which
            extends base class SoapEnvelope implements SOAPEnvelope

            public class NewSOAPEnvelope extends
            org.ksoap2.SoapEnvelope implements
            javax.xml.soap.SOAPEnvelope
            newHttpTransportReceiver would reference the new uber
            SOAPEnvelope class
               public void call(java.lang.String,
            NewSoapEnvelope)       throws java.io.IOException,
            org.xmlpull.v1.XmlPullParserException;

            does this conform to your understanding?
            Martin Gainty
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            > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:02:37 -0400
            > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
            > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
            > Subject: Woden on mobile devices
            >
            > Hi all,
            >
            > I think Woden can parse WSDL 2.0 that describe REST
            services correct?
            > Is there a mobile version of Woden for parsing such WSDL
            documents on
            > Android?
            >
            > Thanks
            >
            >
            
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