Hi Azeez, On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Afkham Azeez <az...@wso2.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Supun Kamburugamuva > <supu...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> In general I think having two ways of configuration is a mistake. Having >> that kind of a model confuses users and make the life harder for developers >> as well. Also it means we haven't figured out the correct places for >> correct configuration as well. If there are two ways of configurations they >> should be synched. For example if both carbon.xml and UI are allowed, a >> change done in UI should be reflected in carbon.xml and vise versa. > > > Which makes things very messy! :) We just need to keep this simple, > identify the roles people play, and then decide what to have in the UI and > what to have in the config files. It is a myth that UIs are more user > friendly and config files are not. Depending on the situation & > requirement, UIs or config files should be chosen. We have gained a lot of > experience in managing Carbon production deployments through running > StratosLive production clusters, and now have quite a good idea where each > have their uses. Clearly, our techops team will never use the UIs to > configure SLive, so that gives a good indication of how other techops & > admin teams will configure our servers. > True. And that's why we don't include the deployment sync FE components in any of the Stratos packs. Our unique architecture allows users to mix and match stuff to meet their functionality and usability requirements. So why not provide a UI where possible? Different people have different attitudes towards software and user experience. While some are quite happy to edit raw XML files, some are not. Our architecture can easily support both categories. Thanks, Hiranya > > >> >> Thanks, >> Supun.. >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Nuwan Dias <nuw...@wso2.com> wrote: >> >>> Ok then, we'll have both options. If configurations are specified in >>> carbon.xml, run the UI in read-only mode and display an Information >>> Message. If not, allow users to configure through the UI. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> NuwanD. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Afkham Azeez <az...@wso2.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hira...@wso2.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Afkham Azeez <az...@wso2.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Hiranya Jayathilaka < >>>>>> hira...@wso2.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Miyuru Wanninayaka < >>>>>>> miy...@wso2.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One alternative is support both registry and carbon.xml >>>>>>>> configuration and give priority to carbon.xml. So if someone configured >>>>>>>> deployment synchronizer by editing carbon.xml, UI will just run on >>>>>>>> read-only mode. UI should only allow configuring if dep-sync is not >>>>>>>> configured in carbon.xml. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is how it's presently implemented. So just leave the code as it >>>>>>> is without removing anything, and it'll work just fine. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> See my previous mail. I don't believe this is useful in the Carbon >>>>>> console since configuring this is not part of the Carbon admin's role. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's not true. We already have users who extensively use this UI. >>>>> It's great in dev and staging environments where developers can access the >>>>> system over the web and try out stuff. >>>>> >>>> >>>> OK. Let's leave it at it then. The UI looks great, and information like >>>> last checked out time & commit now are useful. However, I don't see the >>>> configuration part of this being used in SLive like production setups. See >>>> Sanjaya's response. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Hiranya >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Hiranya >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Sanjaya Ratnaweera < >>>>>>>> sanj...@wso2.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Afkham Azeez <az...@wso2.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What do you mean this will make the carbon.xml based synchronizer >>>>>>>>>> obsolete? You mean we won't be able to configure the server using the >>>>>>>>>> carbon.xml file and will be forced to use the UI to do that? If so, >>>>>>>>>> -1. It >>>>>>>>>> will be a huge usability issue for sysadmins. Talk to Sanjaya & see >>>>>>>>>> how we >>>>>>>>>> do things to manage Carbon servers in production. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, we never touch UI when managing deployments. For example in >>>>>>>>> Stratoslive we change configuration files and keep them in a separate >>>>>>>>> location. At the deployment time we unzip a fresh pack and sync >>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>> configurations with that. If we store those configurations in local >>>>>>>>> registry we may have to login to each and every instance and change. >>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>> is not a one time change, because sometimes we delete the pack and >>>>>>>>> unzip a >>>>>>>>> fresh one when there are file corruptions, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyway keeping configurations in a XML file is much easier for >>>>>>>>> production deployment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ~sanjaya >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Nuwan Dias <nuw...@wso2.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hiranya, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions, will increase the SVN URL field >>>>>>>>>>> length. Yes, input validations have been done. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> NuwanD. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Hiranya Jayathilaka < >>>>>>>>>>> hira...@wso2.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Looks pretty good. Please increase the length of the SVN URL >>>>>>>>>>>> input field. URL fields are usually long. I hope proper input >>>>>>>>>>>> validations >>>>>>>>>>>> are all in place. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> Hiranya >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Nuwan Dias >>>>>>>>>>>> <nuw...@wso2.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have developed a UI for the SVN based >>>>>>>>>>>>> deployment synchronizer as per the task in >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wso2.org/jira/browse/ESBJAVA-893. This will make is >>>>>>>>>>>>> possible to provide svn parameters for the svn based deployment >>>>>>>>>>>>> synchronizer through the UI. It will however make the existing >>>>>>>>>>>>> server >>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration based (carbon.xml) deployment synchronizer obsolete >>>>>>>>>>>>> and will >>>>>>>>>>>>> be using the local registry to store and retrieve svn parameters. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A screenshot of the deployment synchronizer page is attached >>>>>>>>>>>>> herewith. Suggestions welcome. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuwan Dias >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Software Engineer - WSO2, Inc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration Technologies Team >>>>>>>>>>>>> email : nuw...@wso2.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone : +94 777 775 729 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuwan Dias >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Software Engineer - WSO2, Inc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration Technologies Team >>>>>>>>>>>>> email : nuw...@wso2.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone : +94 777 775 729 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dev@wso2.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka >>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Technical Lead; >>>>>>>>>>>> WSO2 Inc.; http://wso2.org >>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: hira...@wso2.com; Mobile: +94 77 633 3491 >>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Nuwan Dias >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Software Engineer - WSO2, Inc. >>>>>>>>>>> Integration Technologies Team >>>>>>>>>>> email : nuw...@wso2.com >>>>>>>>>>> Phone : +94 777 775 729 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Dev@wso2.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> *Afkham Azeez* >>>>>>>>>> Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com >>>>>>>>>> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ >>>>>>>>>> * <http://www.apache.org/>** >>>>>>>>>> email: **az...@wso2.com* <az...@wso2.com>* cell: +94 77 3320919 >>>>>>>>>> blog: **http://blog.afkham.org* <http://blog.afkham.org>* >>>>>>>>>> twitter: >>>>>>>>>> **http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez*<http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez> >>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>> linked-in: **http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez* >>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>> *Lean . 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