+1 fre. 14. jun. 2019, 07:05 skrev Jorge Esteban Quilcate Otoya < [email protected]>:
> +1 > > On Fri, 14 Jun 2019, 07:29 Jorg Heymans, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > Op vr 14 jun. 2019 05:49 schreef Sheng Wu <[email protected]>: > > > > > +1 in public vote. > > > > > > Sheng Wu > > > Apache Skywalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin > > > > > > > > > > > > > 在 2019年6月14日，上午10:24，Adrian Cole <[email protected]> 写道： > > > > > > > > The PPMC held a vote on our private list to withdraw from the Apache > > > > Incubator. We did this for reason of discretion, similar to how new > > > > PPMC members are voted in, and for lack of any formal process to > > > > conduct such a vote. John D. Ament asked us to vote again "to keep > our > > > > own processes simple", so this vote is in accordance with that > > > > request. > > > > > > > > 8 votes to leave carry over from the private list, including 7 of our > > > > 12 PPMC members [1]. There were no 0 or -1 votes cast. > > > > > > > > IPMC +1 Sheng Wu > > > > PPMC +7 Adrian Cole, Bas van Beek, José Carlos Chávez, Kristof > > > > Adriaenssens, Jorge Esteban Quilcate Otoya, Brian Devins-Suresh, > Lance > > > > Linder > > > > > > > > Here's the private thread: > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b47dc4cdce50ca5d4229d73d2ac745904e3a4b70bebfabe1cbf7c55a@%3Cprivate.zipkin.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > Below is the description of the vote, which we'll extend here for 72 > > > > hours. Folks who have formerly voted can feel free to vote again. > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > It has been the experience from more than one of us that the Apache > > > > Incubator is more stressful and requires more effort than initially > > > > anticipated or is necessary. This vote recommends we leave the > > > > incubator back to the OpenZipkin org and carry on as we did. > > > > > > > > Here is some background. I will not cite here. If you are a committer > > > > you can also express your point of view with or without citing. Your > > > > opinions matter and I hope you all vote. > > > > > > > > Process and policy ambiguity has been ever present and cost us a lot > > > > of time and energy. The incubator spends more energy on failing us > > > > than helping us. Tooling gaps, whether related to process management, > > > > source verification or multiple repositories have impacted us as > well. > > > > We have lost considerable velocity since attempting to join. Even if > > > > we graduate, there is no guarantee strictness felt so far won't carry > > > > over. > > > > > > > > The burdens don't stop here, there is a lot of fear about our greater > > > > community, OpenZipkin and how to fireproof branding across what is > > > > Apache and what is not. This is not only a cultural miss for us, but > > > > yet more overhead and also tension. We still have to maintain the old > > > > namespace, and we also get tension from the incubator that the old > > > > namespace exists. Probably many projects can control their whole > > > > ecosystem but we cannot and as far as I know do not desire to either. > > > > We are all the same class. > > > > > > > > Some large projects can afford incubator strictness and carry on > > > > despite these hurdles and lack of tools. Small or mono repo projects > > > > have far less work anyway. Those with larger projects usually have > > > > fulltime staff to address the gaps, write nice websites navigating > > > > process, make tools etc. It is costly and we are frankly by > definition > > > > not rich. > > > > > > > > Moreover, OpenZipkin is culturally against building things that > > > > require effort to get working. Our very first act as a part of a > > > > community was to remove the burden of forcing users to build from > > > > source. There is definitely conflict with us and a culture > preoccupied > > > > with source ceremony and without interest to the impacts on > volunteers > > > > or the quality if the experience. This mismatch has led to many > > > > problems that distract us from our purpose as a project in ways > > > > including time displacement and low morale. This is despite multiple > > > > escalations from our mentors. > > > > > > > > For reasons of resources, poor experience and cultural > > > > incompatibility, I recommend we leave the incubator and re-unify as > > > > OpenZipkin again. > > > > > > > > If you vote -1, it is to remain. Please mention concrete efforts you > > > > will take personally to address the problems, and which > > > > responsibilities you will take on, if you vote -1. > > > > > > > > Voting ends 3 days from today, i.e. midnight UTC on 2019-06-17 > > > > > > http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?year=2019&month= > > > > 06&day=17 > > > > > > > > [1] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/zipkin > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > >
