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- Bret

From: Thomas Abraham<mailto:thomas.abra...@arm.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 11:07 PM
To: Bret Barkelew<mailto:bret.barke...@microsoft.com>; Ard Biesheuvel 
(TianoCore)<mailto:ardb+tianoc...@kernel.org>; Lindholm, 
Leif<mailto:l...@nuviainc.com>; Laszlo Ersek<mailto:ler...@redhat.com>; Marvin 
Häuser<mailto:mhaeu...@posteo.de>; Sami Mujawar<mailto:sami.muja...@arm.com>
Cc: nd<mailto:n...@arm.com>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: ArmVirt and Self-Updating Code

+ Sami

From: Bret Barkelew <bret.barke...@microsoft.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:05 AM
To: Thomas Abraham <thomas.abra...@arm.com>; Ard Biesheuvel (TianoCore) 
<ardb+tianoc...@kernel.org>; Lindholm, Leif <l...@nuviainc.com>; Laszlo Ersek 
<ler...@redhat.com>; Marvin Häuser <mhaeu...@posteo.de>
Subject: ArmVirt and Self-Updating Code

All,

Marvin asked me a question on the UEFI Talkbox Discord that’s a little beyond 
my ken…

“There is self-relocating code in ArmVirtPkg:
https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/17143c4837393d42c484b42d1789b85b2cff1aaf/ArmVirtPkg/PrePi/PrePi.c#L133-L165<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Ftianocore%2Fedk2%2Fblob%2F17143c4837393d42c484b42d1789b85b2cff1aaf%2FArmVirtPkg%2FPrePi%2FPrePi.c%23L133-L165&data=04%7C01%7CBret.Barkelew%40microsoft.com%7C7f8b266a81d44c853f6108d941d6a804%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637613212486760659%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Qe54pIgdrQiP%2Bb9WNOhSRqbWWsJ8FG4ukaYvjRYGfig%3D&reserved=0>
According to comments in the ASM, it seems like this is for Linux-based RAM 
boot (I saw further stuff for KVM, so it makes sense I guess?). It seems 
unfortunate it cannot be mapped into a known address range so that 
self-relocation is not necessary, but that's out of my scope to understand.

“Now, StandaloneMmPkg has similar (self-)relocation code too: 
https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/17143c4837393d42c484b42d1789b85b2cff1aaf/StandaloneMmPkg/Library/StandaloneMmCoreEntryPoint/AArch64/StandaloneMmCoreEntryPoint.c#L379-L386<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Ftianocore%2Fedk2%2Fblob%2F17143c4837393d42c484b42d1789b85b2cff1aaf%2FStandaloneMmPkg%2FLibrary%2FStandaloneMmCoreEntryPoint%2FAArch64%2FStandaloneMmCoreEntryPoint.c%23L379-L386&data=04%7C01%7CBret.Barkelew%40microsoft.com%7C7f8b266a81d44c853f6108d941d6a804%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637613212486770613%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=HwixIAI%2FnnBRL4lWtdbooRRwps9gOj%2FEekr55DtXE44%3D&reserved=0>
Because I cannot find such elsewhere, I assume it must be for the same ARM 
virtualised environment as above. The binary it applies the Relocations to is 
documented to be the Standalone MM core, but in fact SecCore is located:
https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/blob/17143c4837393d42c484b42d1789b85b2cff1aaf/StandaloneMmPkg/Library/StandaloneMmCoreEntryPoint/AArch64/SetPermissions.c#L131-L158<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Ftianocore%2Fedk2%2Fblob%2F17143c4837393d42c484b42d1789b85b2cff1aaf%2FStandaloneMmPkg%2FLibrary%2FStandaloneMmCoreEntryPoint%2FAArch64%2FSetPermissions.c%23L131-L158&data=04%7C01%7CBret.Barkelew%40microsoft.com%7C7f8b266a81d44c853f6108d941d6a804%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637613212486770613%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=YcA%2B9yB8lHvCCSMOK8jbfxLXuO1KReB2zjNn9Jcqmc0%3D&reserved=0>

“This yields the following questions to me:
1) What even invokes Standalone MM on ARM? It is documented it is spawned 
during SEC, but I could not find any actual invocation.
2) Why does Standalone MM (self-)relocation locate SecCore? Should it not 
already have been relocated with the code from ArmPlatformPkg? Is Standalone MM 
embedded into ARM SecCore?
3) Why is SecCore the only module relocated? Are all others guaranteed to be 
"properly" loaded?
4) Is there maybe some high-level documented about the ARM boot flow? It seems 
to be significantly different from the x86 routes quite vastly.”

Hoping that one of you could get me closer to an answer for him. Also happy to 
take this to the greater mailing list, but thought I’d avoid churn.

Thanks in advance!
- Bret




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