On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Till Maas wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 09:44:11AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > >
> > > > Chris Adams wrote:
> > > > > IMHO you're developing the wrong distro. It is statements like yours
> > > > > that contribute to the "Fedora is a rolling beta" perception (and I
> > > > > don't think that's a good perception to have). If you want to target
> > > > > rawhide with rolling releases of KDE, have fun. Once a release is out
> > > > > the door, try not to just throw a new kitchen sink in for the hell of
> > > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > Some people actually LIKE rolling releases, indeed some distros use
> > > > completely rolling releases (e.g. Arch Linux). We are currently
> > > > somewhere
> > > > inbetween (partly release-based, partly rolling), and IMHO this
> > > > compromise
> > > > is working great. We get the advantages from a rolling release model,
> > > > but
> > > > with a lot less surprise breakage as in a true rolling model because
> > > > disruptive changes like libata go only into new releases.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If only we had some sort of rolling release, that tracked as closely with
> > > upstream as possible, where the users of said release understood they were
> > > drinking from the firehose. Meanwhile, along side that release we could
> > > have periodic stable releases that don't move so quickly. That way you
> > > get
> > > what you want and I get what I want. Oh wait! That's the world we live
> > > in today. Next time a user tells you "I want a newer X" tell them
> > > "Upgrade to rawhide".
> > >
> >
> > <bad form replying to myself, sorry>
> >
> > Or to put it another way, why aren't you doing this and telling others to
> > do this? If someone is on F11 still, why do you think they want the
> > latest and greatest software? If they did, they'd upgrade to f12. And
> > further still, why wouldn't they be running rawhide? The rolling update
> > release exists. Why force rolling updates on people that haven't chosen
> > to run rawhide?
>
> Did you read what he wrote? I feel tempted to just copy the paragraph
> Kevin wrote again, because it already answers your question: Rawhide is
> not partly rolling as Fedora is.
> And a typical reason not to upgrade from F(current-1) to F(current) is
> because the major updates may make systems unusable, e.g. X not working
> anymore. But this does not mean that the same person does not want
> bugfixes for e.g. yum-builddep installing build dependencies again.
>
Then lets fix that. Rolling updating everything isn't the answer to any
problem.
-Mike
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