On 06/08/2016 10:21 AM, Jonathan Wakely wrote:
>> If this is so, I will go to FPC with request the ammend the C guidelines
>> with explicit discourage of %{?_isa} on gcc because the main
>> architecture supports the secondary targets and because gcc is not
>> multilib safe.
> 
> I think -devel packages should not "Require: gcc" at all. Not with
> %_isa and not without it.

Agreed.

> To actually compile something using those headers you need the C (or
> C++) build environment installed anyway, i.e. you need 'gcc' (or
> 'gcc-c++') installed so there's no benefit to the package giving it as
> a requirement.

Agreed.

> If you want to install the foobar-devel.i686 package on x86_64 and
> compile 32-bit software with those 32-bit headers you'll need to
> manually install glibc-headers.i686, but that's true even if you just
> want to compile a "Hello, world!" as a 32-bit C program on x86_64.

Right. It's a "specific and special need" which we should clarify in
the "C and C++" application specific guideline.

> So simply don't add a Requires to -devel packages for the build env.
> Don't Require: gcc and don't Require: glibc-headers. If a -devel
> package currently has Requires: glibc-headers%{?_isa} then IMHO that
> Requires should be removed, not replaced with gcc or gcc%{?_isa}
> (unless for some special reason the package really does need
> glibc-headers explicitly, not just in order to provide a working build
> env).

Agreed. Last year I filed bugs against all packages I found that were using
"Require: glibc-headers" and we are about 60% complete the fixes.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1230505

> I'll update the draft for V2 of the C/C++ Packaging Guidelines to say
> that.

Awesome!

-- 
Cheers,
Carlos.
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