On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 17:54 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 22:52 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 05:43:49PM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > > > > that seems like a bit of odd logic. The logs are emitted to syslog with > > > the same thought in mind - that someone will read them - but that is > > > also not necessarily true. But I would not want to see us discarding > > > syslog, either. > > > > We have a range of utilities that perform useful syslog parsing. The > > fact that most of them then seem to pass that output to sendmail leaves > > me a little less convinced that anyone pays the slightest bit of > > attention to them. > > > > More realistically, we install syslog because it gives us debug > > information that we (as developers) wouldn't otherwise be able to get. > > Maybe that's why you do it - but I don't. And we have a lot of utilities > that parse and handle logs and send proper notifications on events we > need to worry about.
I have an MTA installed because I expect to get emailed logs, and root@ does go somewhere. Now, there are a couple of things I should admit: 1). I did replace the out-of-the-box MTA, because it was sendmail. I don't actually care too much about using sendmail, I happened to have configuration files that just work, because the entire mail subsystem wasn't rewritten recently, so I could just copy those files in place. 2). I care more about the "server" experience on this machine than pretty GUI stuff. I know that's no longer the default here :( I also like to think about what I want to base upon Fedora in the future. > And the first person who mentions snmptrap events gets slapped. :) Well, I use SNMP for power control, etc. but even I am not anal enough to use it at home for logging. Jon. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
