On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:39, John M. Harris Jr <joh...@splentity.com> wrote:
> On Monday, August 31, 2020 5:46:47 AM MST Peter Oliver wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:27:33 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > > Unless systemd timers run crontab entries, crond and atd cannot be > > > disabled. > > > > Why's that? > > > > Sure, crond should be enabled by default if installed, but does it need > to > > be installed by default in Workstation? We could convert cron jobs in > the > > default install (if any) one-by-one into systemd timers until no cron > jobs > > remain. > > Yes? Cron is the standard way to automatically run tasks at a given time. > I'm > s/is the/is a/ ** This conversation is not new and is a repeat of the ones from the various 1990's when Linux crontabs were considered non-standard and broken by various Unix administrators because Linux 'fixed' various problems which were common in crontabs back then. Eventually those fixes actually even ended up in various Unix's as they caught up with the times. Things are in flux again and cron/atd has pretty much hit the end of the road. The systemd people have come up with a different method in timers, and the workstation people want the defaults to not have cron anymore. A person who wants to keep cron can install it and maintain it themselves. ** The various standards like POSIX which detail cron/atd etc are not anything Fedora or most Linux distributions are 'confirmed' against. It is also written for a world where Solaris is a Unix and Linux is not. When someone can get the various Linux distributions to come up with a LOSIX standard and stick to it.. then having an argument about 'the standard' is worthwhile. Until then distributions match standards when they want versus anything else. not concerned about Fedora defined cron jobs, or I wouldn't be including > `atd` > in that list anyway. I don't think that anything in Fedora itself uses > `atd`. > The end user is the one that will be using `crond` and `atd`. > > If you just put these in the background, if they're not already, this will > solve your problem. > > -- > John M. Harris, Jr. > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > -- Stephen J Smoogen.
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