> Am 05.09.2021 um 09:32 schrieb Samuel Sieb <sam...@sieb.net>:
> 
> On 2021-09-05 12:19 a.m., Peter Boy wrote:
>> Much to my chagrin, you describe the biggest problem in Fedora for years and 
>> the one why Fedora is falling further and further behind among 
>> distributions. The problem overshadows all that many positive features that 
>> otherwise distinguish Fedora.
> 
> How is Fedora falling behind?

I watch Distrowatch in an occasional way. It is certainly not the most reliable 
indicator, unquestioningly. But is is one among others. Currently Fedora ranks 
10th, one place ahead of Suse, a distro that has long been considered nearly 
"dead" and has suffered greatly under Novell. And if you look at sites like 
stackexchange or serverfault, it's very rarely about Fedora.


>  In what way?  What problems have you actually had with selinux?  

see 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1900869
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1900888

Debian (selinux variant) solved the issue a long time ago. I'm sure our 
maintainers do what they can and don't take any issue lightly. As Sam wrote it 
has grown into a conceptual issue.


> Yes, there appears to currently be a slowdown caused by selinux *in an 
> unreleased version*.  I'm sure it will be fixed before F35 is released.

I’m sure, too. With my comments, I (and possibly Sam) was not solely concerned 
with the slowdown problem. This is rather an expression of a larger problem 
(overloaded maintainers, missing / insufficient information, outdated 
documentation, etc) that should be addressed. 

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