On Wed, Jan 21, 2026 at 1:27 PM Adam Williamson <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2026-01-21 at 10:01 -0800, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Not sure if many of you know this, but I'm a bit of a UX guy, and try to > > make > > everything I touch a good experience for new and experienced users alike. > > That's kinda my thing. > > > > As an experiment I was just installing using the "Everything" installer in a > > VM and came across an interesting conundrum. > > > > As many of you know, the Everything .iso image just has an Anaconda instance > > where it installs from the comps, meaning one can install the desktop > > environment they want along with whatever package selection they want from > > the > > comps. This is all well and good, except I was noticing something. > > > > My wife is in education, and when I went to install the "Education" group to > > show her, everything worked just fine until I looked at what it *actually* > > installed in addition to the DE: nothing. So, upon inspecing the group I > > noticed that *every package is optional* and, despite installing the group, > > nothing got installed. > > > > I would say that, therefore, this didn't go as expected, and we can't expect > > everyday or new users to open the command line and go `sudo dnf group > > install > > {comp} --with-optional`. > > > > I can see three solutions: > > > > 1) Anaconda installs selected comps "--with-optional" > > 2) If a comp has nothing but optional packages, Anaconda installs "--with- > > optional". > > 3) If a comp has only optional components, those components should be > > changed > > from "optional" to "default". > > > > I'd love to hear some discussion about this. > > As Stephen mentioned in his reply, all-optional groups are mostly an > artifact from two installer interfaces ago - the one that looked like > https://techgage.com/viewimg/?img=/articles/linux/fedora_15_lovelock_review/fedora_15_installer_23.png&desc=Installing%20Fedora%2015 > You could click "Optional packages" there. These groups mostly existed > in order to populate that interface. > > They may also have been relevant to older package management GUIs like > gnome-packagekit, at this point I honestly don't recall. dnfdragora may > show them too, I'm not sure. >
Yes, these are shown in dnfdragora. > You *can* access them to some degree using dnf, but I'm not sure anyone > actually does. You can do `dnf group install --with-optional <group>`, > which will include *all* optional packages in the group. It doesn't > seem terribly useful to me, but maybe somebody likes it? > I do use it. :) > My personal preference would be to throw out about 90% of comps, but > I'm not sure how popular that would be. :D I'd rather not, please. :) -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[email protected] Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
