On 04.11.2012 19:25, Simo Sorce wrote:

note that this is "also" our strength in some respect because it allows
the system to evolve a lot more quickly, but it also means upgrades are

Indeed.

simply going to break stuff, and that's not so great for desktop
environments and scare the hell off of 3rd party vendors.
You may notice we do not have many 3rd party vendors, I think ABI
instability is reason number, 1, 2 and 3 of why we can't have reliable
third parties with a community built OS.


I agree completely with all your points.

A possibly viable alternative for the ABIs freezing (which we can not ensure anyway) is the C/C++/etc tooling - If we arm upstreams, packagers and 3rd parties with powerful source tools (API migration/checking), just like Google does internally, unsing the Clang tooling, witch was developed exactly for this purpose.

The GCC/OpenJDK tooling development is not something appropriate as effort for the manpower of almost any upstream, but IMHO should be seen as important goal for relatively big player like Fedora.

Kind Regards,
Alek

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