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> On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 14:58 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > We ask this constantly on Fedora. Because Fedora is where innovation is
> > supposed to take place, not where things are stay frozen in carbonite
> > forever.
> > 
> > (And let's never forget that Fedora is not the pioneer here. ArchLinux
> > went journal-only already. We are not actually the innovators here, we
> > just follow.)
> 
> I believe openSUSE 12.3 does not install syslog anymore either. (I think
> they decided they did not want to log everything twice? :) Fedora's
> following this time.

http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-tuning/cha.tuning.logfiles.html

Looks like they either still have /var/log/messages,
or their documentation team are lazy.
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