On 07/25/2013 10:36 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
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On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 17:36 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Thu, 25.07.13 14:39, Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) wrote:

Partially accepted Changes
* No Default Sendmail -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail -
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-July/185328.html

Sendmail will be removed from @core. Removal of sendmail from @standard
didn't
pass. Note: About @standard group might be decided in next release of
Fedora.

* No Default Syslog -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSyslog
discussed on
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-July/185329.html

Remove rsyslog from @core, move to @standard pending revaluation in
future.

Note that this is not the decision I was interested in. I will hence not
work on the implemetation of either of these features. Unless Matthew
takes them over alone I will will mark these feature pages as obsolete
as they didn't get agreed on.

Taking rsyslog out of @core is a one-line commit to comps which someone
could do in 30 seconds. It hardly needs 'working on'.

Given the amount of time that he spent on the mailing-list fighting for those 
features, then it looks like a waste of time, that work has been done.

Thankfully, it's been removed from the default Desktop spin.
It all becomes moot when a FESCO decision can be completely ignored. My own opinions aside (I have a sendmail requirement but would not force it on anyone).

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