On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:51, Bernie Innocenti <ber...@codewiz.org> wrote: > On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 16:03 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: >> Agreed. You can do what you are doing (run a school on newish sw, get >> a tight feedback & bugfix loop) when someone like you is there. > [...] >> Yes -- but we gotta remember that it's productive (specially for >> Sugar) because you are there. You can turn their frustration into >> valuable info (and bugfixes). Without you, it's just frustration. > > Indeed :-( > > I'm trying to get everyone on IRC and mailing lists before I leave. In > Nepal it worked, but here the language barrier is higher. > > I told everyone that Spanish is welcome in bug reports, blog posts and > for chatting on #sugar. Many of our core developers speak Spanish > fluently, so they could bridge information to the others. > > Admittedly, it's not working: people come to IRC, they see that everyone > speaks English, and shy away. I don't believe in breaking the community > apart in many per-language ghettos, but Spanish probably has enough > critical mass to justify a #sugar-es (or #olpc-es) channel.
I have invested efforts in the past in that direction, but they haven't taken off. We have sugar-desarrollo and we used to have a channel as well, but haven't seen much use. If we had a deployment team, we could try to make a push so that people from different deployments talk together in an open space... Regards, Tomeu >> That's a good idea -- try to work in a school with "latest" Sugar late >> in the previous school year, to incorporate stuff for the wider >> deployment in the over-summer-holidas upgrade. >> >> (And actually we have a late-starting deployment in La Rioja, which is >> on-time to take advantage of that work.) > > Cool! A lot of stuff is moving forward here: > > * This Monday we'll have another meeting with the "formadores" to help > them file complete and understandable bug reports without the need > for us to go on-site. > > * We're now tracking the remaining bugs here: > http://wiki.paraguayeduca.org/index.php/Devel/Builds/Todo > > * Two more developers of the Paraguay Educa technical team are learning > to create OS builds. Next week, they'll start helping out with > activities. > > * The formadores (teacher trainers) got used to the differences > in the new software release and are no longer diffident. > > >> That's truly a good question. I'll say "the teams closest to the >> deployments". "Distant" upstreams (kernel, udev, Fedora) don't care >> directly about our end users. OLPC/SLers are passionate about children >> learning. > [...] >> Yep - that and combine it with working with a few schools on recent >> releases, with a developer on-site -- like you, Simon and others are >> doing. > > Yes, we definitely need more errant developers! Since there's a limited > amount of core developers in OLPC and SL, in the future we may want to > encourage deployments to exchange developers. The Paraguayan team now > employs hackers with two years of experience. The same is probably true > in Uruguay. > > It would be great if one of them could travel to the fledgling > Argentinian deployment and help them build capacity locally. A > decentralized model of international collaboration would solve the > scalability problem. > > >> In practice, it probably means we'll be answering questions about any >> release for about 1.5 to 2 years after the release date. > > Interestingly, Mark Shuttleworth has recently argued for a 2 years cycle > synchronized across all the enterprise distributions: > > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/290 > > If his proposal acquires enough momentum within the community, it would > make sense for us to synchronize with it, solving the issue of being > left behind by the rest of the development community. > > >> Noooo. I'm not so crazy. But we have to fit in the school's >> 1-year-cycle, have time to stabilise, etc. Small deployments have more >> flexibility, and when someone like you is literally on site you can go >> wild... (take advantage of that!) but for the thousands of other >> schools an LTS > > Testing and stabilize a new version of Fedora and Sugar on the XO could > be done with as little as a few thousand students in a small town, with > just 1-2 developers on site. > > After we're done with Sugar 0.84, I'll try to repeat the development > cycle for Sugar 0.88 and Fedora 12, starting with few adventurous > volunteers such as the Scratcheros. > > -- > // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ > \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel