Eli, check https://blog.jolla.com/open-letter-jolla-community/
Yes, Jolla is in a bad shape. Regarding the payment functionality, that everybody seems to push: I can't see how that could work, at this stage. There is not enough money in the Jolla market as it is to attract commercial developer, and using resources to allow paid application is a waste of money. That is my opinion based on a back-of the envelope calculation: - We don't know the exact number of phones sold, Let's be generous and say 100k phones are around and in use - Let's assume the user is willing to pay for 1euro each for 5 applications in the store - Let's say Jolla is taking 50% of the payment. I think the numbers are too high to be realistic, but we want to see if there is a possibility supporting paid applications makes business sense. So based on those numbers, we get 5 euro * 100_000 users / 2 = 250_000 euro It is not a lot of money for a company the size of Jolla. And it is money that could take months in coming in. So I do not think this is working. If you think my numbers are off, please tell me. My opinion has always been that the best bet for Jolla was to be as open source/free software friendly as possible, and simplify the work of porting existing applications from the Linux desktop as much as possible. Jolla should also consider the user base it has now, compared to the one they wish for, and build on it. I have no colleagues ion my office with a Jolla phone, and most do not even know about it. But in my open source circles, the Jolla is a hit, even with its half hearted open source policy. Well, that's it really. I do not have magic bullets to offer, I am afraid. Luciano On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 8:47 AM, E.S. Rosenberg <es.rosenberg+sailfishos....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2015-11-27 9:28 GMT+02:00 Peter Kovacs <legi...@gmail.com>: >> >> Hello, >> >> I am not able to join on next community meeting due to work restrictions I >> have. So I can not propose a topic. I am instead post my thoughts directly >> to this list. >> I think no 1 topic is to stabilise Dev efforts for SailfishOS. >> I do not believe to simply put sailfish in multiple places will ensure its >> existance. This would only be the case if SailfishOS would open source it's >> Software. This would be the death of Jolla in my eyes at this point. >> >> I see rather a better strategy in a business model change. Instead of >> trying to sell the OS to big companies sell the OS to your community. >> I think the crowed funding method was quite successful. So I propose >> another Crowed funding camagne. This has now to be a success. So I propose >> something small. Like getting payment function into Jolla. >> Perks could be to get better conditions after the Shop is live. Maybe 10% >> - 50% off. > > So for your support now Jolla would either have to take 0 margin on every > purchase you make in the store or the application developer would have to > take a hit. >> >> I do not know how much money you need to make add payment functionallities >> and survive the next month) >> >> Another step could be to have a System suscription. This system >> subscription is made to ensure updates. It should not be much like 5-10 >> euros a month. Free of choice if possible, enforce if neccessary. I have no >> feeling how close Jolla is to the death. >> I do like the Crowed funding mythology of star citizen. Most of them can >> not be reused. But in art of communication they are top. Maybe open up your >> communication on development, would be great. > > I know I (and probably a lot of others) would turn my back on Jolla the > moment they adopted the evil model you describe above, the core of > jolla/sailfish OS is open source and to start demanding money for updates is > wrong. > Personally I have been on this adventure since the days of the n900 and one > of the things that were/are very important to me is the fact that I know > that even if the company fails/pulls the plug there is a active community > that will continue to release bugfixes/improvements. > (BTW 5-10 EUR/month means you paid for another phone in 2 years, when I buy > a phone I estimate [price]/[expected use time] you just doubled the cost.) >> >> I would also like to see more jolla stuff in the shop. I still want to buy >> the external keyboard or the solar panel for jolla. Bit i still can not find >> those in the Jolla shop. This is also an income Jolla must participate in. >> Sell those stuff even from third party developers in your shop. >> I refuse to buy from the third party directly because I know how much >> jolla needs the money. > > The whole point of open sourcing the spec was that Jolla wanted others to > create stuff for their phone, expand it etc. it is most likely more > expensive for jolla to start selling products made/designed by 3rd parties > because it means that they need to actually stock up on the product, sell a > certain amount to brake even, take the risk of not selling that amount, take > the risk of needing to replace faulty hardware at their cost and again > ending up losing money, do I need to continue? > Or alternatively they'd need to make the serious investment of developing > the product themselves which again has all the above points plus serious R&D > and QA costs. > The guys at funkyOH do great work and deserve the support just as much. >> >> Get the old hardware section of jolla to develop some more second half >> stuff. Like battery banks or 2nd phonecard connector. Maybe a mobility hub >> for pcs. I do not know. >> >> Sorry that this has nothing to do with development of source code. But I >> think this is not really time for dreaming of open Source. >> >> I know that you might not like this steps, but I think there is no chance >> in rearranging debts will lead you from the death valley you are in. >> That is only one way to get bankrupted fast. >> You must generate money quickly. That is the only way somebody will >> continue to invest into Jolla. And a credit is also an investment of sort. >> >> This is an unpleasant message of sort. But jolla should focus on those >> people has already convinced. Apple did that in their beginning. I know some >> and they agree first iPhone were not very good. I think the sailfish has >> potential but currently this potential is limited to the community you have. >> And this are the ones here who prepare their products for sailfish, and the >> ones who already spend money on the product. >> >> Please take a break from convincing people that can play Jolla against >> android, blackberry and iOS. You can return to that dream if you got out of >> the valley. >> >> I have time from 14th Dec till end of the year. I will participate then in >> the meetings and bug you to various topics around Jolla. I hope this helps. > > So am I to understand that in the last Community meeting it was said that > Jolla is in a bad financial shape? > Seems to me like they just got a fairly large financial injection from the > tablet and at the same time decided that they can get by without developing > hw themselves rather just selling licenses/support to others and already > have contracts with several companies... > > Regards, > Eli >> >> All the Best >> Peter >> >> >> Carol Chen <cybette+sailfis...@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 26. Nov. 2015 >> 17:17: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks to everyone who attended today's meeting! Minutes/logs: >>> >>> Minutes: >>> >>> http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-11-26-14.30.html >>> Minutes (text): >>> >>> http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-11-26-14.30.txt >>> Log: >>> >>> http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-11-26-14.30.log.html >>> >>> Next meeting will be on 2015-12-03 @ 14:30 UTC. Meeting Chair will be >>> Carsten Munk (Stskeeps). Please propose discussion topics at: >>> >>> https://together.jolla.com/question/54157/sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meeting-planning/ >>> >>> If you propose a topic, it is expected that you show up and present it, >>> or have a substitute participate in the meeting. It is important that >>> you're present at the meeting to guide the discussions in the direction >>> you want, so we do not spend time guessing what kind of info/answers you >>> may be looking for. >>> >>> NOTE: Propose your topic by Tuesday 1.12. Any topics added after that >>> will be considered for the following meeting. Carsten will send out >>> meeting invite with confirmed agenda before the meeting. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Carol >>> >>> -- >>> Carol Chen >>> cybette @ Freenode IRC >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list >>> To unsubscribe, please send a mail to >>> devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list >> To unsubscribe, please send a mail to >> devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list > To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luciano Montanaro Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams _______________________________________________ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
